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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Portraits and Dance
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:17:00 +1000
References: <CAE3QcF7f6Rmj+y90RGJRyaLUmkOxtPKkyh8ZUV98xH44NvmfUw@mail.gmail.com> <CFF1970B.2232A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Well you can I guess Mark and some people do. I don't want to carry a pro
size Nikon or Canon or anything else around the street personally.
But I have the M and great lenses anyway.


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 21 July 2014 05:55, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why you cant walk around shooting with an S2 its the
> same
> form follow function footprint basic size and shape and weight as a Canon
> or
> Nikon DSLR you could black tape the red dot and no one would be the wiser..
> You'd not make a S outa yourself... I would also shoot the camera with all
> the auto controls I'm used to shooting with with my DSLR'S.  Which is all
> of
> them. There is simply no reason not to. The film is bigger. That's all.
> Oops
>
> I have thought of medium format being all about manual controll I started
> out with Rollei and Hasselblad in the 70's but when the 645's hit, the
> Mamiya 's and Pentaxes and Bronica'a came in in the 80's with full exposure
> modes and then auto focus nobody turned them off to emulate shooting with a
> Hasselblad.
> But they didn't necessarily out shoot us either.
> Us being die hard Hasselblad shooters.
>
>
> On 7/20/14 12:01 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Every frame that I will shoot with it outside will be in manual focus
> > though. That is the way that it is generally done in the medium format
> > world, in my part of it anyway, learning from Hasselblad and Phase One
> > using professionals. Yes it does lock extremely quickly in the well lit
> > studio if that helps. I haven't tried it in low light at this stage where
> > mt D600 would typically hunt around and struggle.
> >
> > It's hardly a walkaround camera though, or rather you need to be
> dedicated
> > to do that. Its the wrong tool for travel for example in my opinion.
> > My studio stuff well stopped down won't tell you anything about focus
> > accuracy.
> >
> > Outside especially at big apertures, in closer at least,  I would
> typically
> > be looking to focus manually on the catchlight of the nearest eye.
> > Eyelashes are not good enough (focussed manually or AF)
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 20 July 2014 13:54, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Geoff,
> >> Not a contest, just increasing my personal knowledge on how it might
> >> be useful to me. I am practical on my approach to kit, if I find
> >> something that will work for me, I would buy it. As the S2 has
> >> autofocus, it comes squarely into my usable zone. That is all the
> >> information I was after.
> >> Cheers
> >> Jayanand
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> >> gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Jayanand, from my perspective this isn't a contest with John and I
> trying
> >>> to make you want to buy a Leica Pro format camera. Nor do either of us
> >> feel
> >>> the need to justify why we are thrilled to have these for ourselves.
> >>>
> >>> Having said that there is a large difference in the output. Whether or
> >> not
> >>> that matters to you or anyone else for different output purposes or the
> >>> large cost is justified of course is entirely up to the individual
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Geoff
> >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 20 July 2014 13:35, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>> That print size does not tax any DSLRs or Mirrorless sensors that I
> >>>> have used in the last 5 years, either, including Micro 4/3 - and I
> >>>> print a lot for print exchanges, in which I regularly (month in, month
> >>>> out) have been taking part for the best part of a decade. If it does
> >>>> not tax the M 240, why did you buy the S2 as well?  Just curious to
> >>>> know where medium format output is truly useful, and where it fits in
> >>>> for hobbyist photographers like me.
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Jayanand
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:49 AM, John McMaster <john at 
> >>>> mcmaster.co.nz>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 12"x18" doesn't really tax the M either...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> john
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jayanand you'll need a large print to appreciate. 12x18 in ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Geoff
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 20 July 2014 13:08, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Any S2 owner on the list interested in doing an one on one print
> >>>>>> exchange with me? I would really like to see the output in print!
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> Jayanand
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:32 AM, John McMaster <john at 
> >>>>>> mcmaster.co.nz
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hardly surprising with a 1024 pixel JPEG ;-) Believe me there is a
> >>>>>>> huge
> >>>>>> difference when you see shots side by side...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> john
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jayanand Govindaraj
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Geoff,
> >>>>>>> Very interesting, very well lit. I personally cannot make out which
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>> out of the S2 and which are out of the M 240! :-) Cheers Jayanand
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Geoff Hopkinson
> >>>>>>> <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I've started this gallery with a series of portraits, mixed work
> >>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> S2 and M (typ 240) There is zero retouching, just a very lovely
> >>>>>>>> model well prepared for camera and some beautiful studio lighting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/cd
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>> Geoff
> >>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
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