Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/05/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Lluis - My opinion: I love to scan my film from the past 40 years and love the results I get from film; however, I could never go back to film. I would have to set my darkroom up again and find a place to get all of the chemicals. I would not trust anyone else to develop my film, just as I didn't in the past. I've given away my Jobo and would not want to develop film without it. I would have to carry 300+ rolls of film on a typical trip and get that film through several airport security x-ray machines. Some will pass them around, some will not. Just the physical transportation and protection of the film until I get it home is very stressful. Protecting it from damp and heat in some of the places I go was always a problem. Instead, I can carry several hundred gigabytes of photos in my pocket. If necessary, I can download and process it on the road. Photos for stock can be with an agency within minutes of taking them. As long as I keep my sensors clean, spotting digital is easy compared to spotting film. Even if there is a spot, it will be on the same place in every frame and all can be spotted in seconds with LR. I like the grain of film and always have, but every time someone buys one of my film prints from Fine Art Photo, I get a note from them saying, "This photo contains grain which will show up in the print. Please send us a higher resolution file without the grain." I have explained to them every time that the photo in question is film, not digital, and that the grain is a part of the photo. To remove it would be to destroy the image. So far, every time they have agreed with me and printed the photo with the grain, but I still get that notice every single time a film print is sold. I will just have to be satisfied with scanning my old film, which will take the rest of my life, and not even think about going back to the film and chemistry of the past in today's world. Tina On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lluis Ripoll < lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Peter, I agree with you, in fact some days ago, before to have > the problem, I?ve bought some B&W film. Beside the things you are pointing > I want add some other considerations. I?ve realized that for me shooting > digital is more stressing, why? simply because you don?t have the immediate > ?prove? our work, secondly I can say that I don?t know what?s happen but > with film I shot less pics than digital, a certain process of reflexion is > involved. > > You mention one point that I not share, you say that Digital is faster, > IMHO I would add apparently, after a while I?m scanning and processing old > negates in B&W, I can say - beside the problem of of cloning out dust > spots, I hate too - that the post processing is at least for me much more > faster in scanned film than digital, in other words I can get easily the > B&W I want. > > I can not say which is the best, this is a question of preferences, mines > are more in favor of the B&W film than digital, and these days I?m enjoying > carrying again my M with B&W film. > > I see a certain trend of the digital users of last digital technology and > the powerful new ?clinic? lenses, IMHO many of the pictures I see are based > on the effects of the lens and technology than the image, this will > probably produce in some years a total change of the preferences. As you > say, people prefer the fine detail of digital than the grain. Of course I > respect all the preferences and I want add another consideration. This > evolution pro technological values makes also a big benefits to all the > industry involved, is there some Marketing influencing throughout the > images of actual great photographers the preferences. If we do an > abstraction, would be in our days appreciated as it was the Alfred > Eisenstaedt picture of the kiss in Times Square? Or we actually would have > appreciated the same image isolated by the effect of a Nocti 0.95? > > I ask myself such questions and the response is go everyone with his own > preferences, > > Cheers! > Lluis > > BTW.- The camera is already on the way to Wetzlar. > > > > El 27/05/2014, a las 00:50, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> escribi?: > > > Lluis: Sorry you have to deal with this. But using your film cameras > for a while may be a good thing. I shot a roll of Tri-X recently. It felt > like coming home, in a way. It reminded me of things that I knew and > practiced most of my life, that tend to be different with digital. B&W > film is beautiful in a very different way from digital. Digital is more > convenient, easier, faster more accurate, and has more fine detail than > fast film. But highlights are better with film. Film grain is what the > image is made of, rather than digital noise, which is superimposed on the > image. You have less shots per "card." You can't "chimp." The whole way > you think about exposure is different. > > > > All this made me think again about things that had become automatic. > This is good to do now and then. > > > > And yes, I *hate* cloning out dust spots. :-) > > > > --Peter > > > > > > > Tina, Scott, Jayanand, Gerry, Geoff > > > > > > Thank you very much for all your messages, tomorrow I will deliver the > > > camera to the Leica Spanish Dealer and wait? > > > > > > Tina: Thank you for your suggestion, the delay will be 4 weeks, I can > resist > > > this period using again my film cameras > > > > > > Cheers > > > Lluis > > > > > > El 25/05/2014, a las 02:52, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> > escribi?: > > > > > > > I'm so sorry, Lluis! Ask Leica to send you a loaner while your's is > being > > > > fixed! > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Lluis Ripoll < > > > > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi my friends, > > > >> > > > >> A very rare problem has happen with my camera, without any > accident, drop? > > > >> nothing, the sensor is un-fixed, consequently it moves inside the > camera. > > > >> Even for Leica is a very rare problem, they tall me that this > problem has > > > >> never happened? > > > >> > > > >> I have enough stock of pictures to work and or scan, I will continue > > > >> posting but as you can understand the two first days I?ve been > really > > > >> angry! > > > >> > > > >> Saludos cordiales > > > >> Lluis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > -- Tina Manley http:// <http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/>www.tinamanley.com