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Subject: [Leica] shooting the M240
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 23:46:55 -0400

But it does remind me with these CMOSIS people in on the processor with
Fujitsu Semiconductor about a new S body with CMOS processor being a very
sure bet in the Leica lineup.

I am just now back from a PhaseOne meeting party presentation thing with one
of my favorite photogs Albert Watson I got to see and there was a guy using
of of their PhaseOne camera with JSK Schneider lens to photograph the event
in quite low light. I was watching him and not the big screen in front of
the audience. The head of PhaseOne spoke, a guy from Denmark and so did
Watson...I presume. Who by the way is from Scotland.

I would think it was the new PhaseOne back with the CMOS sensor on it for
this guy to be shooting the way the event shooter was shooting. It was slide
show real dim light..

http://www.phaseone.com/Camera-Systems/IQ2-Series.aspx

I hate to bring it up but the last two  times I saw a presentation involving
our beloved Leica savior and reinventor  and re imaginer Dr. Andreas
Kaufmann they had hired a guy to shoot the thing with an Olympus. But a few
years have gone by and the M has come out and I'm betting that slight PR
glitch has been remedied to the utmost. With resulting better results.

My main point in this post is the new CMOS body for the S system feels very
real and Imminent. My Rabs sense tells me we'll be seeing it real soon and
the next Leica presentation  they will have the option of using the M or the
S. 
Certainly not the T for Pete's sake.
And not some other company camera.

Can you image a Canon meeting being covered with a hired guy shooting it
with a Nikon? After fives seconds I can see him being led out of there with
a bag over his head... They'd put in car and take him for a long ride on a
short pier.





On 5/7/14 11:22 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I thought I was reading that should the Maestro processor from the S
> incorporated into the M then that would be the next incremental thing.
> Sorry! I get it right half the time!
> 
> 
> On 5/7/14 11:14 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes it is Mark. Was I unclear? The issue as I understand it is the design
>> decisions in the electronics as far as how much information can be
>> processed in how much time for movie functions.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2014 13:06, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This article seems to be saying the Maestro processor is already in the 
>>> M.
>>> Unless my dyslexia is getting the better of me again.
>>> http://www.the.me/the-leica-m-max-sensor-explained/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/14 5:48 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Steve you understand why it is physically impossible for an R lens to
>>> work
>>>> with the RF system?
>>>> One small fix that may assist is that I know of some people who have
>>>> attached a small 'bump' (a stick-on plastic hemispherical dot) to the
>>>> activation button. That evidently makes it much more convenient to
>>> actuate.
>>>> George, to address your question, I have no knowledge at all of what the
>>>> next generation of Leica cameras may bring but I would guess that the T
>>>> system may be a precursor. The track record is for newer
>>>> capabilities/technology to be progressively implemented. For example the
>>>> Maestro processor from the S incorporated into the M.
>>>> Since this is entirely speculative discussion, I think that the M system
>>>> will continue optimised for the M lenses above all else for as long as 
>>>> it
>>>> is their most successful line. I don't think that there will ever be
>>>> another based on manual focus lenses at all (but can't see why the 
>>>> lenses
>>>> won't be usable with adapters). I will be unsurprised if the S System
>>> does
>>>> not evolve to use one of the newest generation of CMOS sensors. I don't
>>>> believe that there is any prospect of an R11 or 12 or whatever.
>>>> 
>>>> That is more than enough idle speculation and chitchat on the subject
>>> from
>>>> me. I have 500 new frames from yesterday's shoot, another shoot in a few
>>>> days, another competition one in 10 days, a remaining (unpaid) corporate
>>>> job which has grown in complexity and demanding nature after the last
>>> two I
>>>> just did and I haven't even finished editing some previous shoots from
>>> last
>>>> September forward!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 8 May 2014 06:55, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve, so in that mode, you shouldn't need to start focus peaking
>>> working
>>>>>> by pressing the button every time.
>>>>>> An adapted lens is one where there is no helical movement to operate
>>> the
>>>>>> roller/cam RF system. For example if you used an R adapter. I should
>>> have
>>>>>> been clearer though. I mean that it won't work automatically. You will
>>>>> need
>>>>>> to press the button to start it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> exactly, M lenses will work as you say, but R lenses require the button
>>> be
>>>>> pushed each time....
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***it is rather sad that R lenses even with Leica's own adapter, R to 
>>>>> M,
>>>>> will not operate like M lenses, and the fine Oly VF4 EVF apparantly 
>>>>> will
>>>>> not be functional like the Oly VF2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> As far as I know the VF4 won't work due to bandwidth limitations (how
>>>>> much
>>>>>> data can be processed). That is only a guess though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 May 2014 06:31, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I shall have to have a play as I have very seldom used focus peaking
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> initially experimenting. Off the top of my head  when set to
>>> automatic
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> should start working as soon as you move the focus ring.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That will not work
>>>>>>>> on adapted lenses though.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> what is an adapted lens?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As far as I am aware the VF4 is not going to be compatible when we
>>> get
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> next firmware. The very impressive Visoflex unit for the T 
>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>>> cannot be used on the M.  In that instance there is no alternative
>>>>>>> Olympus
>>>>>>>> branded version either of course.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The VF2 works, why not  get the VF4 working as well, as it's a much
>>>>> better
>>>>>>> viewfinder?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thank you,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8 May 2014 05:56, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not sure what the issue is? If (you and) the subject has not moved
>>> it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> still be in focus, if not then you need to re-focus in which case
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> magnification will cut in....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am using the M240 in advanced mode (EVF 4) with focus peaking in
>>>>> red.
>>>>>>>>> Coming to terms with the controls and the menu, for the shooting I
>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do, I have a question remaining re the focus peaking setup. It 
>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>> must reset the camera controls for each photo, which begins with
>>>>>>> depressing
>>>>>>>>> the button upper right front.  Is there some way to program the
>>> camera
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> repetitively shoot in this way, ie avoiding a reset for each shot ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The images I obtain are terrific, well focussed, with almost a
>>> perfect
>>>>>>> hit
>>>>>>>>> rate, even with the lens wide open,  but too much time is required
>>> to
>>>>>>> reset
>>>>>>>>> the camera, for each and every shot.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for your ongoing assistance.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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