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Subject: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted
From: imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:42:45 -0000
References: <8D1086E8744F945-12D4-17BDF@webmail-d281.sysops.aol.com><E26D321B93A14A9E916D9AF1B2C4871F@Family> <712CB62DC16746A59558E9E44303BC53@syneticfeba505>

Thanks for the advice Ted. Armed with your advice, I'll have to do a bit 
more sports photography again. I never used a 300, but am thinking I'll get 
one for the replacement for my Nikon D200 when I upgrade it.

My son has stopped football, and I'm more confined to the house with my 
wife's illness these days, but I'll eventually have more time.

Regards

Douglas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted


> Douglas Barry SHOWED:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted
>
>
>> Having spent many aeons cheering on my spawn with a ball at their feet, 
>> here's one I took of my youngest in '08 with a digital while clearing a 
>> bit of trouble with his head.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/50543475 at 
>> N00/2309151754/in/photostream/<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Hi Douglas,
>
> A solid action shot to say the least.  A couple of thoughts?
>
> 1/ I'd have cropped the superfluous players on the left. Then blown the 
> shot up tight of the small group with your son and ball. Because your son, 
> whether he was or not. He's  the player is the center of the action! ERGO 
> : Blow that part of the frame BIG!
>
> The players on the left are waste of space and have nothing to do with the 
> "cool action scene with your son's group.!"
>
> A Sport's Editor from long long ago who had a huge pair of scissors on his 
> desk and if you gave him that shot as we see it here? Right there in your 
> face chopped it all up tight with one comment..... "Your a hell of a good 
> photog! But when the hell are you going to learn to crop the crap out?" 
> snip snip snip. :-)
> And before that we would be thinking "Great I'll have 4 column sports 
> picture in the Sports page!"
> Nope two column!!
>
> 2/ Not knowing what lenses you had to use? But I'd say yer probably a 
> couple hundred mm's short in length to have a tighter image. Most soccer 
> and field sports my main long  lens was a 300 Nikkor f2.8 adapted by a 
> Leica technician to fit one of my Leica SLR's. That was before the Leica 
> 280mm came out. Then I bought it, the 1.4 adapter and the 2X adapter. Had 
> Leica change the LEICA mount back to Nikon  and sold if for $500 more than 
> I paid for it! :-)
>
> Then if you required really long? You put the two adapters on and it gave 
> you an 800mm f8.0! Sharp as all get out even if it was f8.0 wide open WITH 
> ADAPTERS! Fixed that easy and bumped up the ASA and away you went ! 
> Besides there was always another SLR Leica with motor drive AND wide lens 
> in case the play came right in on top of you and you just clicked away 
> with it! :-) Oh the long glass?
>
> In the blink of an eye it was swinging on the empty shoulder! :-)
>
> Oh they were the days of shooting sports. My gear was three Leica SLRs 
> motor equipped, and a bunch of lenses from super wides to long. Had a 
> 400mm 2.8 for sometime toward the last few years. Then sold it.
>
> I hope this kinda answers the question? ;-)
>
> cheers,
> ted
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <lrzeitlin at aol.com>
>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:48 PM
>> Subject: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted
>>
>>
>>> I was a much better sports photographer back in the good old film days 
>>> than I am now. I had trained my trigger finger to click the shutter of 
>>> my Leica the instant before I saw something interesting happen and 
>>> chances are I got the picture. I was a specialist in soccer. I had both 
>>> played and coached the game and could anticipate the action. Local 
>>> newspapers called me to cover regional and state championships.
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking back through my old files I had a lot of great shots. Here is 
>>> one published in a newspaper almost 50 years ago. Note the long hair and 
>>> the "traditional" soccer ball. The picture was taken on a cloudy, 
>>> overcast day.? Pushed Tri-X film was necessary to get a high shutter 
>>> speed .The grain is simply from a big blowup. The picture looks like 
>>> crap on a computer but looked OK when printed in a newspaper using a 
>>> halftone screen.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Soccer_001.jpg.html
>>>
>>>
>>> But now with my digital cameras I press the shutter button and wait and 
>>> wait and wait for the picture to be taken. Sure, they are in focus and 
>>> exposed correctly and the ASA 6000 sensor means that I don't have to 
>>> push film speeds but getting the critical moment is a matter of 
>>> guesswork. By actual test my DSLR takes nearly half a second in auto 
>>> mode from button press to shutter click. A big league baseball would 
>>> travel from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove in that time. Even 
>>> by using all the tricks, manual settings, prefocus, etc. I can't reduct 
>>> the latency to much less than .25 seconds. My reaction time with a film 
>>> Leica is half that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Motor drives and sequence photography anyone? It seem like cheating to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ted, what does your son do?
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Z
>>>
>>>
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