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Subject: [Leica] Leica's April 24th announcement - place your bets!
From: jplaurel at gmail.com (Jim Laurel (gmail))
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 13:57:06 -0800
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Exactly Tina! Don't get me started on the cables. And of course, you'll need 
backups for each one of those as well. Judging from your photos, you 
generally can't just order replacements and have them overnighted via UPS.

--Jim


On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> I'm packing all of that right now for 3 weeks in Vietnam.  I'm more worried
> about leaving some crucial cable than I am about what clothes I'm packing!!
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) <jplaurel at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> The technology chain for digital photography is very fragile, Nathan. If
>> you've gone to a lot of time and effort to travel someplace, you are
>> carrying backups of everything. Modern digital cameras are a lot more
>> fragile than the mechanical M cameras. Your computer (so you know if 
>> you've
>> got a big dust blob on your sensor), drives to back up your computer. And 
>> a
>> tertiary backup because, you know, if data doesn't exist in 3 places, it
>> doesn't really exist at all. A power supply for your computer and a backup
>> for that for when it fails. A charger for your camera batteries and a
>> backup for that. Backup batteries. Your mobile phone. And a charger for
>> that. A power strip to plug all this into. And all this stuff is 
>> incredibly
>> appealing to would-be thieves, so you're always having to look after it,
>> locking it up in your room, etc. It's just a lot more stuff to manage.
>> 
>> I'm a technologist, but I am also concerned about the impact of technology
>> on society and culture. I walked the Camino de Santiago from St. Jean Pied
>> de Port to Compostella last Fall - 800 kilometers. So many pilgrims with
>> their faces buried in their iPhones, frantic to find some WiFi. Sitting
>> together at tables, but isolated, each one in his/her own little virtual
>> world. Every night in the Abergues, people would be scrambling for the few
>> outlets to charge phones, cameras, iPads, etc. I can't help but think that
>> 30 years ago, they would have been enjoying the moment a bit more.
>> 
>> --Jim
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Technology moves on.  When I was young, when going out, I needed to have
>> coins in my pocket and find a pay phone if I wanted to call home. For the
>> past 20 years, I have carried a mobile phone in my pocket as a matter of
>> course. Initially to talk, now also to browse the web, navigate my way
>> through foreign cities etc. Why would that be a bad thing? It's wonderful!
>>> 
>>> Same with cameras. In my film days, I had to carry three bodies: one
>> loaded with slow slide film, one loaded with slow B&W film and a third
>> loaded with fast B&W film, in my case ISO 1600, since anything faster was
>> useless. Now with the Fuji X I have with me where I am right now
>> (Maastricht), I can shoot at ISO 6400 and get far superior quality to what
>> I used to get with film at 1600. Again, why would that be a bad thing? It
>> is not an "obsession", it is merely a way to expand one's photographic
>> possibilities.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> (sent from somewhere)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Den 06/03/2014 kl. 21.57 skrev "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at 
>>> gmail.com
>>> :
>>> 
>>>> I never will understand all this obsession with ultra-high ISO. Along
>> with bokeh, it has become a fetish in the photographic community.
>>>> 
>>>> For so many years, we traveled with the Leica M6 and a few fast lenses
>> and 100 ISO slide film, which we would sometimes push 1 stop. Only rarely
>> did I feel the need for ISO 1600. The Leica M8 was already better than 
>> 35mm
>> film at comparable ISO sensitivities. The M9 is better still and yet in
>> today's world it is considered woefully obsolete. I can understand that 
>> for
>> Chris' wedding work, 12,500 allows him to capture images that were just 
>> not
>> possible in the days of film, but few consumers have such a requirement.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing is for sure. While a few photographers are using the new
>> capabilities of digital cameras to push creative boundaries, most simply
>> inundate us with well-exposed and sharply focused images with crazy bokeh
>> at outrageous ISOs that have little real content.
>>>> 
>>>> --Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:54 AM, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No way on the M-AF mount. The M battery is already small, I would not
>> want another battery drain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just recently shot the M 240 at a wedding. Unless there's a new
>> version capable of 12,500 iso I don't really see a need for a new camera
>> announcement.?
>>>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley
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