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Subject: [Leica] M4/3 format ascendant
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:13:58 -0500

I shoot panchromaticd with my iPhone 5 the files are bigger than with my
Nikon D700.


On 2/26/14 9:10 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> Alamy has just started accepting photos made with an iPhone - only iPhones,
> not Androids.  I went out yesterday and got an iPhone 4S - haven't figured
> out how to use it yet, but it is certainly better than my old cell phone.
>  It cost 99 cents.  I took photos of my chickens this morning.  They are
> still in the phone.  Soon I will figure out how to get them out of the
> phone and onto the internet.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Um, when I use my 4/3 rd Oly  or my Pentax Kr DSLR (which is not too often
>> anymore) and now my Sony A7r, I DON'T LEAVE IT (my M9) AT HOME.
>> 
>> Nope, it comes to the party too.
>> 
>> Sometimes, I shoot with my half-half-half-half-half-half-frame camera that
>> came on my phone, even if I did have ten cameras and thirty lenses within
>> reach at the moment.
>> 
>> http://sonc.com/look/?p=3172
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> OK lets see I've gone out and spent seven grand usd on a Leica M40 to
>>> enable
>>> my tens of thousands of dollars of Leica glass but wait! Its a bit
>> heavy!!
>>> I'll just have to LEAVE IT AT HOME and carry a camera two formats smaller
>>> instead! Nobody can tell the difference right!
>>> NOT going to happen.
>>> And if nobody can tell the difference why am I so heavily invested in
>> full
>>> frame?
>>> 
>>> By the way there is a format between 2x and 1x corp. and Its 1.5 crop and
>>> remains the most popular selling of DSLR cameras and certainly gives more
>>> bang for the buck than any other format and lits looking like mirrorless
>>> soon too. Many of these cameras exist in systems where you can use your
>>> full
>>> frame glass on them. They are nicely just a bit lighter and smaller. They
>>> don't seem like something which came out of a box of Cracker Jacks. And
>> in
>>> a
>>> studio strobe or otherwise non low light situation especially where you
>> can
>>> use the lowest iso' s they really may not tell the difference so much.
>> Like
>>> on the beach. At high noon.
>>> But to split that in half and go further smaller with the inane 4/3's
>>> format
>>> calling it comparable to the work of top full frame cameras is really too
>>> much.
>>> A really great use for a camera half half frame  (2x crop) is to put in
>>> your
>>> jeans pocket like a Minox which it would hopefully be the same size as.
>> Or
>>> the same size more realistically of a Rollei 35. Which come to think of
>> it
>>> is a full frame camera.
>>> In other words a near sub compact format sensor belongs in a near sub
>>> compact camera body..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/25/14 9:58 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My photography interests are pretty varied so I'm maintaining a
>> complete
>>> Leica
>>>> M9/M240 digital system, a Canon 5Dmk3 system, and a Micro 4/3 system
>>> with the
>>>> Olympus OMD EM-1. We do a lot of diving and my wife insists on a
>>> full-frame
>>>> system so she uses the 5Dmk3s, but I think she is slowly succumbing to
>>> the
>>>> siren call of Micro 4/3 because it is getting increasingly difficult to
>>> tell
>>>> the difference between our results underwater, not to mention that the
>>> many
>>>> usability advantages of the EM-1 often make it easier to get the shot
>> at
>>> all.
>>>> It's no wonder they are currently outselling DLSRs by 6 to 1 for this
>>>> application. I can choose to either use my EM-1 or our 2nd 5DMK3 body
>>>> underwater, yet I choose the M4/3 simply because of usability, which is
>>> a huge
>>>> asset in that environment. Quality is already good enough with the EM-5
>>> and
>>>> even better with the EM-1. Frankly, people are incredulous about the
>>> results
>>>> we are getting with M4/3 underwater these days and many are rethinking
>>> whether
>>>>  the better IQ of full frame is really worth the incredible hassle and
>>> expense
>>>> of getting it to some of the more remote diving destinations.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to do more landscapes these days, especially infrared
>>> landscapes.
>>>> So when I have the luxury of working out of a car, and weight doesn't
>>> matter,
>>>> I have started to use the 5dMK3 system again. In fact, I just added the
>>> 17mm
>>>> and 24mm TS-E lenses to our kit for just this purpose. Also, we are
>>> preparing
>>>> to do some landscape astrophotography and the Canon is simply the best
>>> tool
>>>> for the job.
>>>> 
>>>> With the advent of the Leica M240, the M system finally becomes truly
>>> viable
>>>> for landscape work. The EVF means I can frame accurately and position
>>> things
>>>> like grads properly.  The R to M adapter makes it possible to use
>>> telephotos
>>>> and focus them accurately. Unfortunately, it doesn't looks like it will
>>> ever
>>>> be a suitable tool for landscape astro because none of the M wide
>> angles
>>> (24
>>>> and wider) are well-corrected enough for coma to work well.
>>>> 
>>>> The point of all this is horses for courses. If I'm on a dive trip, I'm
>>>> shooting M4/3 both above and below the water. If it's nighttime
>>> landscapes, or
>>>> landscapes where I can accommodate the weight and bulk, it's the Canon.
>>> If I
>>>> were going on a long trip during which I was doing a lot of walking
>>> during the
>>>> day and wanted the finest IQ, I'd go for the M240. If it is a long
>>>> through-hike like 800km on the Camino de Santiago, which is a mix of
>>> candids,
>>>> landscapes in all sorts of light in in all sorts of weather conditions,
>>> I'm
>>>> taking an EM-5 or EM-1. And for everything else, general shooting
>> around
>>> home,
>>>> I'm usually grabbing the EM-1 just because of all the cameras I have at
>>> my
>>>> disposal, none are as flexible, easy to use or as fun to use as the OMD
>>> EM-1.
>>>> 
>>>> This argument that people have about full-frame vs APS-C vs M4/3 is
>>> ridiculous
>>>> because each of those systems has its place. Of the three, APS-C
>> probably
>>>> makes the least sense IMO, because it occupies this nether world in
>>> which the
>>>> smaller sensor doesn't bring any corresponding reductions in weight or
>>> bulk -
>>>> the worst of both worlds.
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photographer
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sonny
>> http://sonc.com/look/
>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>> 1714
>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase
>> 
>> USA
>> 
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>> 
> 




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Mark William Rabiner
Photographer
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