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Subject: [Leica] Voigtldr 50mm 3.5 Heliar with the Leica M240 ?
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:29:50 +1000
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Yes understood, Henning. Often my light hearted remarks (Adventurous) don't
translate well. ;-)




Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 13 February 2014 02:57, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote:

> Geoff, what I meant with that is that this isn't a matter of opinion,
> maybe or phase of the moon, but a measurable quantity. So measuring is the
> way to do it.
>
> It's always best to extend a collapsible lens before mounting or
> unmounting it, but other than that measuring the rear protrusion vs. the
> depth of the opening to the shutter will always tell you whether or not the
> lens will cause problems. Clearly, if you have an M5 the depth of the
> opening is to the metering cell, but otherwise it is to the shutter.
>
> I have measured and ascertained that old 50 Elmars, Summitars, Summars,
> Hektors and Summicrons pose no threat whatsoever, and Super Angulons and
> Hologons are also OK. The recent 50 Elmar is good, and the 90 macro Elmar
> is of course good because a) it was designed for these cameras and b) it
> really doesn't protrude at the back when collapsed. These are facts, based
> on the dimensions of the products.
>
> An easy way to measure: Take a thin strip of paper, and stick it into the
> lens opening parallel to the lens axis into the camera until it touches the
> shutter. Mark where the paper touches the lensmount. Then take that strip,
> and touch the end to the lens mount on the lens, and see if the mark you
> have made extends beyond the end of the collapsed lens. Easy, and
> definitive.
>
> Henning
>
>
>
> On 2014-02-10, at 3:47 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That really highlights different thinking or language on the topic I
> guess.
> > Henning isn't happy with my description 'adventurous' ;-)
> > By that I meant, if you are wrong there is just some potential for damage
> > and opinions aren't guarantees!
> > To be pedantic then; if the retracted lens protrusion rearward does not
> > contact the internal chamber or shutter mechanism or cam roller and you
> > always fit and remove the lens while carefully maintaining it
> perpendicular
> > to the opening then there is no potential issue. If the dimensions are
> > close and you are occasionally less than perfect in handling then it is
> > possible to catch on one of those surfaces.
> > Or you can tape or zip-tie the lens extended as Leica recommends and
> avoid
> > any possibility of contacting the interior of your camera body when
> fitting
> > or removing the lens.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 11 February 2014 08:51, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This has nothing to do with 'adventurous'.
> >>>
> >>> Measure it and you will KNOW.
> >>>
> >>> I've shot with the Heliar (Tom Abrahamsson's) on the M8, and don't
> >> recall any problems.
> >>
> >>
> >> no problems with the M8 or M9 but unknown for the M 240....measurements
> >> are very ! close, if they are a tiny bit off you will eat your words...
> so
> >> be extremely careful, my solution, tape and a rubber band, lock the lens
> >> fully extended...
> >>
> >> better safe than sorry
> >>
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> If you give me a couple of days I'll be able to re-check for you, if
> you
> >> wish. I've also mounted and retracted a large variety of collapsible
> >> lenses, except for the old 90 Elmar. I'd measure that one before I
> >> retracted it as it sticks a long way in.
> >>>
> >>> However, the old Super Angulon f/3.4 fits and doesn't interfere with
> the
> >> shutter, and neither does the even more protruding Hologon. I've shot a
> bit
> >> with it on the M240, and while there is rather severe vignetting, that
> is
> >> really the only issue.
> >>>
> >>> Henning
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2014-02-10, at 1:24 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well there's the thing Steve! Has anyone ever tried? Some people
> report
> >>>> carefully retracting collapsible lenses into Leica bodies without
> >> problems.
> >>>> Leica themselves say don't do it (with their own designs). I have
> never
> >>>> seen the lens myself.
> >>>> I guess if you owned one and were feeling adventurous you could try?
> >>>> Personally I would not. You might try asking Stephen Gandy at
> >> Cameraquest?
> >>>> If you don't own one but are considering it for its very compact
> >> properties
> >>>> for carrying, you might look at the little Summarit or the Elmar M 50
> >>>> (which can be collapsed safely). I think that Lluis still has one for
> >> sale
> >>>> by the way.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Geoff
> >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11 February 2014 00:27, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>> Steve Barbour
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> >>>>> gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Camera Quest reported that it could be collapsed safely into the M8 &
> >> M9
> >>>>> but advised caution.
> >>>>> Isn't this a very rare lens? I had read of  a run of 600 world wide.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Very rare, can I use one safely on the M 240?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks Geoff
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Geoff
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10 February 2014 16:46, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
> >>>>>> gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Compatible? Problems?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> many thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> steve
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>> Steve Barbour
> >>>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Henning Wulff
> >>> henningw at archiphoto.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Henning Wulff
> henningw at archiphoto.com
>
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