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Subject: [Leica] Noctilux
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:17:36 -0500

"Children with Dead Pig" certainly belongs in a serious collection. Like in
a museum!!


On 12/31/13 4:22 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Geoff!  I do love the Noctilux.  Sometimes you really need that
> shallow depth of field.  I think it works for this one:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/71197205
> 
> Everything sharp would not have been as good.
> 
> Many of these are with the Noctilux:
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/honduras&page=all
> 
> I really needed the 1.0 and fast film in those dark houses.  Today, I'd
> probably use the 1.4 and M240 with higher speed for most of them, except
> when I need the shallow depth of field.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/144348674
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Unless someone actually posts pictures to illustrate these opinions, you
>> guys are all going to be in so much trouble if Dr Ted sees this thread.
>>  ;-)
>> I know that Tina and Ted are masters of these lenses wide open. Let's see
>> your stuff.
>> 
>> I just stopped the (borrowed) thing down because that was the light I had
>> and the DoF I wanted too.
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/153201969
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/153260573
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 January 2014 06:55, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The difference between the DOF of a 50/1.4 and 50/1.0 lens is actually
>>> pretty minimal.
>>> 
>>> Both are hard to nail critical focus, especially close in. With the EVF
>> of
>>> the M or Sony or Fuji, the issues of focus are remarkably reduced.
>>> 
>>> The real difference between the various (age) 50's is the fingerprint of
>>> the lens, weight, and cost.
>>> 
>>> If you are not in favor of weight around your neck, then all 3 Noctis
>> fall
>>> off the list, closely followed by the ASPH Lux. The lightest is the more
>>> recent (black) Summicron.
>>> 
>>> If you can not afford $3-10k for the lens, then the choice boils down to
>> a
>>> Summicron.
>>> 
>>> Fingerprint is so subjective. But for pure unmitigated sharpness, the
>> ASPH
>>> Lux is the clear winner.
>>> 
>>> I am (almost) down to only the ASPH Lux. And have no regrets. Absolutely
>>> great lens.
>>> 
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No matter what you do with a sensor, a 1.0ish lens shooting wide open
>>> cannot be duplicated with a 1.4.  Even just from a depth of field stand
>>> point, let alone the other characteristics of using such a fast lens wide
>>> open.  So, if that is what you want it is indeed necessary.
>>>> 
>>>> Aram, who owned a 1.2 lens at one time but could no longer focus with
>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 11:07 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux
>>>> 
>>>> I think with the modern digital sensors and cameras, very few lens are
>>>> truly "necessary," and most are a matter of "wants." Nothing wrong with
>>>> that since I succumb to gear lust myself, but the world's best pictures
>>> are
>>>> seldom taken by the world's most expensive and best lens.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Henning Wulff <hjwulff at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 0.95 is as good as it gets at high speed, with the well understood
>>>>> downsides of price and size. At smaller apertures the pictures are
>> hard
>>> to
>>>>> distinguish from Summilux-ASPH pictures, but the large size and price
>>>>> remain. Focus shift exists but is quite manageable. It is the only one
>>> of
>>>>> the three that can be considered an all in one lens, if you can live
>>> with
>>>>> the size. This lens, like the other Nocti's focusses down to only 1m,
>>> which
>>>>> is a distinct limitation in comparison to the slower current 50's and
>>> in my
>>>>> opinion its main operational failing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The f/1 is of much lower contrast at wider apertures, but also
>> sharpens
>>> up
>>>>> nicely with the downside of considerable focus shift. It has
>> incredible
>>>>> flare tolerance which allows it to capture images that no other lens
>>> seems
>>>>> capable of. A lens shade is largely pointless. This is a lens that is
>>> not
>>>>> easy to master and renders in a unique way, but the rewards are great.
>>> Our
>>>>> Dr. Ted did most of his medical photography for his books with this
>>> lens,
>>>>> and mostly at f/1. True mastery!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The f/1.2 is pointless unless you plan on placing it in an honorary
>>>>> position in your collection. Current prices are exorbitant, and it is
>>> not
>>>>> as good a lens overall as the f/1 while being slower. It is a much
>>> softer
>>>>> version of the old Summilux 50. The Nokton f/1.1 is definitely a
>> better
>>>>> lens overall.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have the Summilux ASPH and an M240, the 0.95 is not as
>> necessary
>>> as
>>>>> it was with the M9, but it of course still allows a little but lower
>>> light
>>>>> subjects to be recorded successfully (as long as they are at least one
>>>>> meter away) with shallower dof, but the f/1 will allow a different
>>> vision,
>>>>> if you are willing and able to master it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used to have an f/1.2, have used the f/0.95 and the Nokton f/1.1 and
>>>>> currently have the f/1 and the Summilux ASPH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Henning
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-12-30, at 9:30 PM, David Ching <davidhhching at yahoo.com.sg>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Emanuel,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Noct f0.95 is surely superior in some ways to the Lux 50 ASPH or
>>> the
>>>>> Voightlander Nokton f1.1 of the later two which I  have.
>>>>>> How would you rate the 3 Noct versions , f0.95, f1.0 and f1.2?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Ching
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Henning Wulff
>>>>> henningw at archiphoto.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
>>>> 
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