Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/09/17

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Subject: [Leica] OT. Nikon screen brightness and contrast
From: billcpearce at (Bill Pearce)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:52 -0500
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All lenses have strengths and weaknesses. The Zeiss lenses are superb, with 
perhaps more resolving power than the Leica equivalents and certainly more 
contrast. Colors from the Zeiss lenses pop in a way unlike any other lenses. 
Many Nikon lenses are also quite good in a very unlike Leica way. Nikkors 
seem to me to be somewhere near to the Zeiss lenses, but with more flare and 
a bit softer. At least the Leica lenses I have, like me several generations 
away from state of the art, are certainly sharp, but without the dramatic 
contrast of the Zeiss lenses. I will say that although I love my M9, I have 
some photos from my D3 that measure up quite well.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Filippone
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:52 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] OT. Nikon screen brightness and contrast

Every point you made is correct. If I can prove to myself that the lenses 
are acceptable, I can take the next step: rent/ buy/borrow a D800e and test 
system vs system.

What I have not directly said is that I am skeptical the Nikon optics will 
hold up to a comparison with Leica. So I am starting at the weakest and 
(luckily) least costly point. Work my way up from there.
Note that while the Nikon offers more pixels, i believe it is the FW 
algorithms that make a significantly bigger  difference to IQ. IMO the
Major contribution. The reality is that the FW works on all lenses. Better 
quality optics reflect in better IQ in the same FW environment.   IMO,  the 
DMR, with Imacon ( think I have that right) FW is a big/ biggest difference 
to why the DNR has great IQ. (And why the Hasselblad line is so highly 
regarded in MF).

Thank you Doug for challenging my technique. Keep me on target.
Frank Filippone

On Sep 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at> 

> Frank Filippone wrote:
> Good input Doug. Thought long and hard about the point you are making. The 
> problem is that to test using a D800e would require a $3k investment.
> <<<
> Rentals are a good way to dip your toes in the water.
> The adapter is basically an empty tube. No IQ effect.
> <<<
> If it's the proper thinkness and the front & back surfaces are parallel
> I also believe the increased resolution of the Nikon and the absence of 
> the IR filter will show the Nikon body to have of increased IQ compared to 
> the Leica.
> <<<
> Best to verify this assumption.  There's more to image quality than the 
> number of pixels, as DMR users have been saying for years.
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
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