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Subject: [Leica] S snapshots
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:11:04 -0400

On the box though...
Its always the box..


On 9/11/13 9:06 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:

> My Bessa R2a is stamped "COSINA CO., LTD"  .  Voigtlander on the top, no
> mention of Germany anywhere.
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> 
> On 9/11/2013 7:58 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>> Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies 
>> are
>> stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading.
>> 
>> Jeffery
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the
>>> background was they never wanted  to put their name on their own products
>>> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad?  A Cosina SLR was a 
>>> quite
>>> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda  or Yashica. Nobody 
>>> complained.
>>> Nobody said "not don't use  your own name for gods sake use German ones
>>> instead you'll make more money"
>>> 
>>> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss product
>>> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the 
>>> lack of
>>> integrity behind the whole thing is  really just odd. I mean why use your
>>> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific 
>>>> shutter
>>>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. They
>>>> did
>>>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but did. 
>>>> And
>>>> in
>>>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders 
>>>> to
>>>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", 
>>>> they
>>>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never
>>>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen Gandy's
>>>> forums (RF or CVUG).
>>>> 
>>>> Jeffery
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised
>>>>> would
>>>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing 
>>>>> with
>>>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide.  Though I'm really 
>>>>> a
>>>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and 
>>>>> have
>>>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM 
>>>>> and
>>>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some
>>>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was
>>>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag 
>>>>> which
>>>>> reads like a house down payment.
>>>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica from 
>>>>> a
>>>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing for 
>>>>> me
>>>>> all the time with digital.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more 
>>>>> than
>>>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the
>>>>> consuming
>>>>> masses.
>>>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people 
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can 
>>>>>> justify
>>>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do
>>>>>> remember
>>>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days,
>>>>>> digital
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the norm on the LUG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they don't
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't involve
>>>>>> Pentax,
>>>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad
>>>>>> combination.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>> Photographer
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> Photographer
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>>> 
>>> 
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