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Subject: [Leica] S snapshots
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:06:20 -0500
References: <CE56847E.10597%mark@rabinergroup.com> <911156F1-DA73-40EB-8932-59531B701533@gmail.com>

My Bessa R2a is stamped "COSINA CO., LTD"  .  Voigtlander on the top, no 
mention of Germany anywhere.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 9/11/2013 7:58 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
> Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies 
> are stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading.
>
> Jeffery
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
>> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the
>> background was they never wanted  to put their name on their own products
>> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad?  A Cosina SLR was a quite
>> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda  or Yashica. Nobody 
>> complained.
>> Nobody said "not don't use  your own name for gods sake use German ones
>> instead you'll make more money"
>>
>> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss product
>> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the lack 
>> of
>> integrity behind the whole thing is  really just odd. I mean why use your
>> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific shutter
>>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. They 
>>> did
>>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but did. 
>>> And in
>>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders to
>>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", 
>>> they
>>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never
>>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen Gandy's
>>> forums (RF or CVUG).
>>>
>>> Jeffery
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised 
>>>> would
>>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing 
>>>> with
>>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide.  Though I'm really a
>>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of 
>>>> the
>>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and 
>>>> have
>>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM 
>>>> and
>>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some
>>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was
>>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag 
>>>> which
>>>> reads like a house down payment.
>>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica from a
>>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing for 
>>>> me
>>>> all the time with digital.
>>>>
>>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more than
>>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the 
>>>> consuming
>>>> masses.
>>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people who
>>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can 
>>>>> justify
>>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do 
>>>>> remember
>>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days, 
>>>>> digital
>>>>> is
>>>>> the norm on the LUG.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they don't
>>>>> always
>>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't involve
>>>>> Pentax,
>>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad 
>>>>> combination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
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>>
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