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Subject: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:31:29 -0400

Canon made an EOS verson of the Pellix in the late 80s or early 90s. I
forget the model name though. I think it was EOS RT.

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On 6/27/13 5:17 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

>And you're right, John, the Pellix as a product of the 60s not 70's. I
>thought my long term memory was hanging in there.
>My first Popular Photography was 1963.
>John I did think the great common denominator is not as with film which
>was
>just shooting at f8 or 11 and it didn't really matter who made the lens or
>what it cost. 
>With digital its just sticking to the lower iso' s.
>Shoot at the bottom iso's and you can be shooting with a point and shoot
>and
>nobody knows the difference. Get a light or go to the beach or the
>Bonneville salt flats and leave your S2 at home.  Shoot with a camera
>which
>looks like a credit card. Post it. Tell them you shot it with a Leica S2.
>See if anyone notices.
>
>The Leica (M) is a camera which in particular needs to be able to shoot
>everywhere all the time. Light or dark. In or out. Day or night.
>Its really at its core what the camera is all about. Flexibility. Getting
>the shot no matter what. Its a street camera. A photojournalist camera.
>Sure it can be used for commercial stuff at iso 200 or 100  maybe on a
>tripod maybe with a flash and that's just fine its just not its core use
>for
>most users. Not what Leica is all about.
>
>So I DO think the M240 is a VERY BIG DEAL as we can now use the camera as
>it
>was meant to be used. Anywhere any time.
>Imagine a Leica M film camera in which you could not shoot Tri x but had
>to
>shoot Panatomic or maybe Plus x? I think it would kind of go over like a
>lead balloon.
>This seems to be where we've been at till now.
>And now is a very good time to be at.
>
>I do think the selling price for M9's will remain Bullish. So its not the
>end of the world. Your not going to have to unload it on your blind
>grandmother to use the cash for your M 240 piggy bank.
>
>And by the way for someone to say I have to have my own M240 in my hands
>clicking away to be able to write this legitimately is nothing short of
>nuts.
>
>
>On 6/27/13 4:15 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> The Canon Pellix was mid-60s, I owned one a while ago ;-)
>> 
>> The M is like a refined and improved M9, but at standard ASA you are
>>unlikely
>> to see much difference between them. The M has higher DR and can cope
>>with
>> contrasty scenes better plus can go to higher ASA, but not the extremes
>>of
>> some other cameras. I find the add on EVF awkward to work with for
>>anything
>> handheld, not tried my ultra-wides yet though.
>> 
>> So for many people it is not a worthwhile upgrade to the M9, so why
>>spend the
>> money? That is assuming you can find one for sale ;-)
>> 
>> john - who has used both
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> I think have have said the M240 in particular is going to be a very
>>> successful
>>> camera based and my many decade experience in photography. Doing,
>>> talking and reading. And on a professional level.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next post may be on the Canon Pellix made in the 1970's with a
>>>special
>>> pellicle concept which seems to be coming back.
>>> After that I may say a thing or two about where I think Sony is
>>>heading in
>>> the
>>> camera department with its Zeiss glass which seem to be really pricy
>>>Zeiss
>>> glass and use of pellicles in what they call SLT technology.
>>> After that I may talk about how I'd rater be shooting with a Leica IIIG
>>> instead
>>> of the Leica IIIF I have and had dominated my Leica film shooting in
>>>the past
>>> years well over my M system.
>>> 
>>> Which is really not the point at all its really a red herring what
>>>gets in
>>> everybody's craw is that I find the  Fuji rangefinder to be lacking in
>>> comparison for the obvious reasons that it is a Cropped camera format.
>>> Two price points away from being the premium camera the Leica M is.
>>> A totally unproven thing. (Leica has been making rangefinders for a
>>>few more
>>> years)
>>> And when I express my support on the list for LEICA I get this!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/13 2:26 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So with the world all ablaze about the new Leica M 240 the only
>>>>> person on the Leica users list who is allowed to discuss it is the
>>>>> one person who has managed to obtain one. Hoppy.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe we've seen a few examples from others who have handled them
>>>> and own them.
>>>> And we can certainly discuss their results; as questions; point to
>>>> other reports; etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Though I, personally, cannot imagine denying their actual experience;
>>>> anymore than I can imagine denying your actual experience with your
>>>> gear, software, chemistry, films or papers.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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