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Subject: [Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:09:11 +1000
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No for Liveview the shutter has to be open of course. Then to record an
image it must close and then open and close. After that it has to open
again to restore livewiew. Incidentally this function will make recorded
actuations numbers useless if you like.


*Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett

Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 4 June 2013 08:02, Bill Nelsch <photobynelsch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wait a minute - are you suggesting that the 'shutter delay' is AFTER the
> image is captured?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Bob I know that you helpfully provided your own list of pluses and
> minuses
> > as relevant to you. I was originally planning to do the same. I still
> have
> > not handled a new camera,
> > In the traditional metering mode is the camera not going to meter in
> > exactly the same way as the other except that the dynamic range of the
> > system may vary? In other words you drive it with exactly the same
> > understanding of what the simple metering does.
> >
> > In Liveview is the camera not going always going to operate with some
> > perceptible delay just as all of the pro dSLRs do too except minus the
> > mirror operations?
> > I've played with Liveview on my Nikons and have found it a usable
> > substitute for the precision of proper manual focus screens when shooting
> > in very close (flowers for example). I thought maybe an f.2 adaptor might
> > be worthwhile to try on the M as I have the Zeiss 100 macro
> > I keep thinking that this is an M that also has a limited means of using
> > the R lenses much more than an R10 substitute. It was never going to be a
> > dSLR. Stefan Daniel said that as far back as mid-2009.
> >
> >
> > *Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 4 June 2013 06:06, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John.
> > > Mostly not. I may have put in my original email that I was in classic
> > mode
> > > and blowing most my highlights because a black wall filled the majority
> > of
> > > my frame. When I switched to the new "advanced" metering mode, the
> > exposure
> > > was corrected. This was one of the "good" items on my list.
> > > I really didn't pay attention to the lag difference between the two
> > > metering modes; just noticed that there was a noticeable lag in each
> > using
> > > live view. As you have more time to test, I have no doubt you are
> right.
> > > Best,
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:43 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks, were you in one of the new metering modes on the M? I believe
> > > those slow it down; my M in classic metering has slight but not
> worrisome
> > > lag in LV compared to rangefinder...I certainly could not try and time
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi John,
> > > >> IMO it's not. The X-E1 is noticeably faster. I am no EE, but I don't
> > > think the X-
> > > >> E1 has a shutter: when I remove a lens I see the sensor. As the X-E1
> > > has no
> > > >> optical viewfinder, only the back LCD or the Electrical View Finder,
> > the
> > > >> exposure mechanics are probably quite different. Perhaps it's just a
> > > timed
> > > >> electrical pulse?
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Bob
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM, John McMaster <john at 
> > > >> mcmaster.co.nz
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Actually Steve, it will be similar to your XE-1 - how do you find
> the
> > > >>> delay on the Fuji?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> john
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It was trying to quantify the delay, you notice it but would be
> hard
> > > >>> pushed to
> > > >>>> time it...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> john
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> at 30x the price it's faster...
> > > >>>>> Steve Barbour
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:52 PM, John McMaster <john at 
> > > >>>>> mcmaster.co.nz>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It is there but it does not feel sluggish, it is nothing like the
> > > >>>>> lag on a P&S for example
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> john
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Bill Nelsch wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I am still wondering about how the Type 240 works with R
> lenses?
> > > >>>>>>> Does the focus assist really work with R lenses?  Since you can
> > > >>>>>>> only use the EVF to focus the R lens does that mean that all of
> > > >>>>>>> your shots are going to have the shutter delay?  So far I
> > > >>>>>>> haven't read any user experience vis a vis the red headed
> > > >>>>>>> stepchild R system and before I bail on my DMR I would really
> > > >>>>>>> like to know if
> > > >>> this is
> > > >>>> in fact an "R Solution"?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The reported shutter delay means it's not the R solution for me.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Doug Herr
> > > >>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
> > > >>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> > > >
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In reply to: Message from wildlightphoto at earthlink.net (Doug Herr) ([Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience)
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