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Subject: [Leica] Winogrand exhibit
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 18:44:19 -0700
References: <CAF8hL-HHDizU_1HyQYnGw7ZMEFLHvfOiELXd8_WyboJG=i6JJg@mail.gmail.com> <CDB0744C.92D0%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or
not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other
than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color.


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand .
> The every first pic which comes up involves people of color.
>  and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which every
> other pix involves a person of color.
> It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with other
> than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which you'd
> have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that struggle
> and probably be a bit involved yourself....
> A key shot which comes up often is this one:
> http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg
>
>
> On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>
> > I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few African
> > Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of).
> >
> > Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. Probably
> > not.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result of
> a
> >> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was
> that he
> >> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the
> >> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand
> the
> >> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which he
> >> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't
> think
> >> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition.
> >> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm
> >> here."  Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich
> people
> >> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm
> >> neither.
> >>
> >> -Lew Schwartz
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man <
> richard at richardmanphoto.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of color
> >>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s to
> >>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of
> >> other
> >>> races that he had met or seen?
> >>>
> >>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000
> pictures a
> >>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100
> >> pictures
> >>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that
> >> many
> >>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or
> >>> Asians...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never
> >>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he undoubtedly
> >>> took
> >>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've
> >>> always
> >>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. His
> >>>> omissions may be a form of approval.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lew Schwartz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Richard Man wrote:
> >>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the
> >>> same
> >>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered
> >> included
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the
> >> show,
> >>>>> there
> >>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as
> >> far
> >>> as
> >>>>> we
> >>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and
> >>> only
> >>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard.  We just had a lecture in the local
> >>> museum
> >>>>> about race, representation and photography.  There's also an
> >>> interesting
> >>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white friends
> >>> and
> >>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene.  The book is "My White
> >>>>> Friends."  I've ordered it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Phil Swango
> >>>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE
> >>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108
> >>>>> 505-262-4085
> >>>>>
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