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Subject: [Leica] a "pro-hobbyist" evaluates an M9 . . . ICK
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:49:44 -0800
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In the early 70's I had a Hasselblad with 50, 80 and 150 lenses. When I got 
an SWC the difference was noticeable; the Biogon was definitely a step up. 
For other reasons I sold the 500 and some years later needed a MF system 
quickly, without the funds being available. After a short trial, I bought a 
Mamiya 645 with lenses, and used those over the next 25 years. Best decision 
I could have made, but mostly from a handling point of view. The main lenses 
I used, the 55/2.8, 80/4 and 110/2.8 were fully competitive with the 
Hasselblad lenses of the same era, and some of the dogs in the Mamiya line, 
like the 35/3.5 (even worse than the early 40/4 Hasselblad) were unnecessary 
as I still kept the SWC.

When the Mamiya 6 came out, I got one with the three lenses. Those were 
definitely better than the 645 or Hasselblad equivalents, and that system 
became my main MF system, along with the SWC. At around the same time I also 
got a Noblex 150, and that was the only MF camera that could produce more 
detailed negatives than the SWC.

The Hasselblad 50, 80 and 150 lenses were very good, but just not 
competitive with some of the things that came later, and the 500 with those 
lenses just could not deliver the same optical performance as the SWC. It 
was still MF on film, so it readily beat 35mm on film on an angle of view 
basis, but while the Biogon could deliver close to good 35mm detail on film 
on a lpm basis, the longer lenses could not.

We see similar things now in lenses for Leica M. Many Cosina M lenses, while 
a definite step below current Leica offerings, are also definitely a step 
above Leica offerings from the 70's. Not talking about things like bokeh 
here, just detail rendering.

Henning



On 2013-01-01, at 4:55 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:

> Native 3200dpi scans (3 passes) on a Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro, the 
> detail in a 49MP (7000 pixels square) image was not as sharp/detailed as 
> my digital Ms (albeit only 18MP), tonality is a different thing ;-) 
> However, for me, the M Monochrom fills that gap.
> 
> John
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> Explain more about your comment of the 3200dpi scans..........  What is
>> different?  Was the scan done in native mode (not the total of some
>> 4x800DPI or other math assisted scans?)
>> 
>> I understand that you had the body checked out.... I agree that this 
>> should
>> have ensured the body was OK.....
>> 
>> Note: SWC lenses ( 38mm Biogon) is certainly one of the best volume made
>> lenses ever created.....and wed permanently to a body is a killer combo!
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> 3200dpi scans are a different matter IME. The 500C/M had been back to
>> Hasselblad UK for servicing.
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> 
> 
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Henning Wulff
henningw at archiphoto.com






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