Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/16

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Subject: [Leica] Gun Control
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:47:43 +0100
References: <20121216191954.SYRP17456.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo210>

So much bullshit, so little time...

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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YNWA




On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, jon.streeter wrote:

> The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting.  The idea that citizens 
> are "permitted" to own guns for government-authorized purposes should 
> chill the blood of any people who value their freedom.
> 
> The greatest threat to safety all people face, as has always been the 
> case, is from their own governments.
> 
> The Founding Fathers, who understood this, put in writing that the 
> government was foreclosed from abridging a natural right that exists 
> independently of laws and governments.  That the US has over 20,000 gun 
> laws is testament to the discomfort governments feel with an armed 
> citizenry.  
> 
> A low crime rate is, on the surface, a worthy goal, but it is sometimes, 
> if not frequently, achieved at the expense of freedom.  
> 
> Benevolent government is an oxymoron.  Governments with very strict gun 
> control -- few guns owned, all guns registered, guns locked up in police 
> departments to be checked out for approved uses -- are attractive to 
> would-be despots who, as Hitler put in writing, cannot stay in power with 
> an armed citizenry.
> People throughout history who have traded freedom for security have found 
> this out the hard way.  
> 
> Once freedom is lost, it is difficult to regain.
> 
> America does not have a culture of violence.  It has a culture of freedom. 
> Movies are not reality, and audiences can tell the difference.  There has 
> never been a reliable study to show that watching movies with violent 
> themes and content makes people emulate the characters in those movies. 
> 
> Hollywood, that is, the entertainment industry, is in business to stay in 
> business.  Movies are produced to appeal to a worldwide audience -- a 
> worldwide audience, mind you -- based on the experience and judgment of 
> people who stay in business by producing a product consumers want.  
> Judging by the amount of money American movies bring to this country, not 
> ti mention the extent to which China shamelessly pirates American movies, 
> the American business people are supplying the worldwide audience with a 
> product they value.
> 
> America is unique in history in several ways, most of all in that it began 
> as an experiment by people who were aware that they had created something 
> destined for greatness.  In considering what is the most important thing a 
> people can possess, freedom must be number one, for without it nothing 
> they care about will matter to a government which rules over them, not 
> personal safety, not the environment, not women's equality, not religious 
> freedom, nothing.  
> 
> Boast about how safe the streets are in your various countries.  Today.  
> But tomorrow, when you have ceded your freedom to a government that has 
> promised you security?  
> 
> Don't worry, America will, as always, be here as a shining example of 
> liberty, and may well, again, send your rescue squad.  
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> 
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "David Ching" <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg>
> To: "photo.forrest at earthlink.net" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>, 
> <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] Gun Control
> Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 9:18 pm
> 
> 
> I suppose you use your hammers more often than guns. Or had improper 
> training. Hence the smashed fingers.
> 
> By the same logic, as you are more careful as you are with guns, you are 
> less likely to shoot yourself or others by accident. Same goes for the 
> hammers.
> 
> BTW, guns are permitted by the authorities in Malaysia, Thailand and 
> several other Asian countries for wild-life hunting especially in farmed 
> lands. Will you really need guns to protect yourself from other humans 
> assuming all the two-legged do not own guns? But only to get rid of 
> dangerous animals? 
> 
> Despite certain civilians being allowed to have guns under strict rules, 
> there has never been incidences of mass killings amongst the civilian 
> populations here. Obviously guns are too easily available despite all 
> measures of gun control in the USA.
> 
> Interestingly it was the armed civilians of pre-Independent America who 
> got rid of the English. But today, who are the armed citizenry of America 
> trying to get rid off. The drug lords, the mafia, the school bullies? Arm 
> the peace-keepers only. Let them do their jobs. Disarm everyone else, 
> except farmers and the like.
> 
> And let the rest of us shoot our cameras in peace. 
> 
> For the sake of our children, bite the bullet. 
> 
> David Ching
> 
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