Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]They'd I think have to move into the bigger space in Wetzlar before they can double that market share again! Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:23:32 +1000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] No more Zeiss Ikon > > Jim the Zeiss Ikon of course is a Cosina product. The M9 sensor (and now > Max for the M) are unique due to the particular requirements to make M > lenses work correctly on a 24x36 sensor. > > I think it just does not make economic sense for any other manufacturer to > compete directly in that tiny niche. > I think that Dr Kaufmann recently quoted that Leica Camera has doubled heir > market share.... all the way to 0.2% now! > > Cheers, > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > On 12 December 2012 06:55, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> wrote: > >> That's the point, exactly: it's almost 2013. FF M digital technology is >> now several years old (otherwise known as several lifetimes in computer >> chip development). Why ZI can't use 2009 sensor and processing technology >> to make a camera at a drastically lower price point than the folks in >> Solms is beyond me. >> >> Best, >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org >> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On >> Behalf Of >> Geoff Hopkinson >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:50 PM >> To: Leica Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Leica] No more Zeiss Ikon >> >> Frank I think that Jim was wishing for a new digital M at a lower price >> point. >> Recheck your quoted dates on that M8 though ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >> >> >> >> On 12 December 2012 06:31, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> A realistic expectation.... >>> >>> M8, Introduced in Sept 2008 at $4800. In Sept 2012 is worth less than >>> $2K ( worse than 50% in 4 years) >>> M9 Introduced in Sept 2009 at $7000. In Sept 2012 is worth $4K. ( a >>> bit better than 50% in 3 years) M-E Introduced in Sept 2012 at $5400. >>> >>> Using the algorithm suggested above...... >>> >>> Worth about 50% in 2 years??????? >>> >>> I don't think the move financially from Film to Digital was so hard for >> me. >>> I saved on film costs. Broke even quickly. >>> >>> But the second digital camera is a harder rationalization.... I am >>> already saving the money. >>> >>> Why would I buy another? ( assuming my present digiM is still working >>> to >>> spec) >>> >>> (actually I bought a new M8 then a used M9, for the bigger >>> sensor.....so I have passed that rationalization already) >>> >>> >>> Frank Filippone >>> Red735i at verizon.net >>> >>> >>> In 2 years,a used M-E could be about $3K! >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:56 AM, jshulman at judgecrater.com < >>> jshulman at judgecrater.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Now the real question--when does it become the full frame 18mp >>>> digital m camera for $3k? >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information