[Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use

[john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)]

I am quite happy to be wrong, just I doubt it ;-) Are you saying that I am 
not a Leica lover?

john

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> John you're just a Love and Leica lovers will hope you're wrong.
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
> >
> > I think you will find that few (anybody?) who will be backing Mark's
> > view for the Leica resurgence in the pro/photojournalist market.....
> >
> > john
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> Time will tell.  Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool?
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >>
> >> ----- Reply message -----
> >>
> >> I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a success
> >> from many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling lenses and
> >> making a profit. They only area it has been less successful  is its
> >> market has not included top visible pros so they were forced to do
> >> some deal with Magnum to pay them to use the gear and it was an
> awkward PR move.
> >> As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the
> >> Digital M with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S in
> >> iso range and everything else will change that. We'll see like in the
> >> 1990s a fair amount of top shooters using them. One in every pack.
> >> As it stands now we are not seeing a fair amount of top shooters
> >> using them not present company excluded. So that will be nice when
> >> that is no longer the case.
> >>
> >> Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called
> >> antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by a
> >> select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 m9
> >> era did not include this.
> >>
> >> I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where Leica
> >> is headed.
> >>
> >> By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working out
> >> in any way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs point to
> >> its taking over the modern photo universe and leaving no prisoners. I
> >> think it will significantly edge into the Fuji Hasselblad medium
> >> format world. As seen when we watched Steve McCurry shoot in Rio the
> >> babes and interesting women.
> >>
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >> Photography
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
> >>>
> >>> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They
> >>> have been in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the
> >>> increase in demand has doubled the used value of some of the lenses.
> >>> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their
> >>> reflex cameras. However good they are they have never sold in
> >>> sufficient quantity to recoup design, development and tooling costs.
> >>> Being loyal to their R customers nearly bankrupted the company, so
> >>> they were absolutely right (disappointingly) to eventually drop the R.
> >>> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is perhaps
> >>> a good choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 DSLR, but
> >>> probably not by much, yet possible by virtue of the cache of its
> >>> bigger sensor to sell at a price which gives half a chance of
> >>> washing its face financially. I hope they sell sufficient of them.
> >>> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude mirror
> >>> and shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it was solid
> >>> and relatively inexpensive with excellent lenses. It changed 
> >>> everything.
> >>> FD
> >>>
> >>> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 after
> >>>> the Nikon F took over in very few years after that it was a niche
> >>>> market which appealed to connoisseurs.
> >>>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market but
> >>>> the bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy being
> >>>> where it
> >> was.
> >>>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went 
> >>>> lower.
> >>>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it was
> >>>> in the 90's. Very small but very much there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>> Photography
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>