Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]John you're just a Love and Leica lovers will hope you're wrong. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:41:22 +0000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > I think you will find that few (anybody?) who will be backing Mark's view > for > the Leica resurgence in the pro/photojournalist market..... > > john > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Time will tell. Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool? >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> >> I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a success from >> many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling lenses and making a >> profit. They only area it has been less successful is its market has not >> included top visible pros so they were forced to do some deal with Magnum >> to pay them to use the gear and it was an awkward PR move. >> As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the Digital M >> with its >> CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S in iso range and >> everything >> else will change that. We'll see like in the 1990s a fair amount of top >> shooters >> using them. One in every pack. As it stands now we are not seeing a fair >> amount of top shooters using them not present company excluded. So that >> will be nice when that is no longer the case. >> >> Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called >> antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by a >> select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 m9 era did >> not include this. >> >> I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where Leica is >> headed. >> >> By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working out in >> any >> way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs point to its taking >> over >> the >> modern photo universe and leaving no prisoners. I think it will >> significantly >> edge into the Fuji Hasselblad medium format world. As seen when we >> watched Steve McCurry shoot in Rio the babes and interesting women. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>> >>> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They >>> have been in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the >>> increase in demand has doubled the used value of some of the lenses. >>> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their >>> reflex cameras. However good they are they have never sold in >>> sufficient quantity to recoup design, development and tooling costs. >>> Being loyal to their R customers nearly bankrupted the company, so >>> they were absolutely right (disappointingly) to eventually drop the R. >>> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is perhaps a >>> good choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 DSLR, but >>> probably not by much, yet possible by virtue of the cache of its >>> bigger sensor to sell at a price which gives half a chance of washing >>> its face financially. I hope they sell sufficient of them. >>> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude mirror >>> and shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it was solid >>> and relatively inexpensive with excellent lenses. It changed everything. >>> FD >>> >>> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 after >>>> the Nikon F took over in very few years after that it was a niche >>>> market which appealed to connoisseurs. >>>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market but >>>> the bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy being where it >> was. >>>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went lower. >>>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it was in >>>> the 90's. Very small but very much there. >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information