Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/29

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Subject: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:06:51 -0500

In a way good news becuae we know putting a full frame sensor into a near
pocketable body does not cost near 3 grand. This is a premium into because
of the lens. Quickly down the line I think we'll see them for under two
grand. And they'll sell like hotcakes not just to discerning pros and
advanced amateurs. But to darned near everybody.
Some with no flash. As we'll all be taking out cameras out of our pockets
and firing into those dark alleys at 1AM. And when we get home viewing it on
our big monitors to count the rats and the junkies amongust the garbage
cans.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:27:13 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
> 
> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1
> 
> " The body of the RX1 is clearly smaller (than the fuji X 100) but the lens
> (which is actually 35mm, rather than being equivalent to 35mm) is longer.
> Neither of these cameras is pocketable, but equally, neither is anywhere
> near as large or obvious as a DSLR."
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:59:32 -0500
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
>> 
>> Sorry for being unclear I know that the RX1 is in one respect not the
>> digital Rollei 35 and or Oly XA as it would not fit in a jeans pocket like
>> they can.
>> (its the 1.5 crop bodies coming out in the next year which I expect to fit
>> in a jeans pocket)
>> 
>> The lens though overwhelms me and in really a good way.
>> Yes that might be the aspect of the system which makes it not pocketable.
>> But what a lens!
>> I think their thought is to make it worthy of a lens which is not
>> interchangeable.
>> My God is it gorgeous! It takes my breath away!
>> Possibly a classic like the Zeiss 40mm Tessar and then Sonar that came 
>> with
>> the Rollei 35. (I have the Tessar from the first year of manufacture in
>> Germany)
>> How could a lens that gorgeous not make premium images is my only
>> impression.
>> 
>> By the way you can fully see the lens here and also the camera compared to
>> the Fuji.
>> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/images/comparedtofuj
>> i_top.jpg
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/d2c2ry4
>> 
>> To me it bears the verisimilitude of a real camera.
>> And I spelt that right the first time...
>> 
>> In a way its about the same size but in a way its a tad smaller. A lot 
>> less
>> long from side to side. But fatter.
>> So in a way were looking at a smaller body but with a larger sensor.
>> 
>> Smaller body 
>> Larger sensor
>> Both at once.
>> Big news.
>> 
>> And full frame compacts from the rest of the industry are sure to be 
>> nipping
>> at its heels and some will be smaller. And I expect some will be even
>> pocketable.
>> I'm excited!
>> 
>> The hang up was not technology. It was the marketing people.
>> They just didn't think a small full frame compact at a full DSLR price 
>> point
>> would go over.
>> It think they're going to be proved way wrong and they know that already 
>> as
>> I'm betting Nikon, Canon, Oly, Panasonic and maybe even Leica has a full
>> frame compact halfway down the drawing boards.
>> I don't think wishful thinking but we'll find out soon enough.
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:26:07 +0000
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
>>> 
>>> I am assuming that you have at least seen pictures of the  RX1? While its
>>> body
>>> may be a little smaller than the X100 (which has both optical and 
>>> electronic
>>> viewfinders built in) its lens is huge, the bare RX1 lens sticks out 
>>> further
>>> and far wider than the X100 with hood. I would not expect it to fit in my
>>> jeans pocket, possibly into lower pockets on cargo pants......
>>> 
>>> 
> 
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/images/comparedtofuji>>
>
> _
>>> top.jpg
>>> 
>>> This shot also shows that the Sony has no shutter speed dial
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>>> If they're going to make smaller than full frame compacts they are 
>>>> going to
>>>> have to be truly pocketable.
>>> 
>>>> They have to not almost fit in your pocket like an RX1 does.
>>>> They have to fit in your jeans pocket.
>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE) ([Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9)