Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/28

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Subject: [Leica] Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9…bokeh
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:44:51 -0600 (CST)
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Doug --  I think you have described and summed up the situation just right.  
 Robert


On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> my spell checker changed bokeh to bolshevik,  though I am sure bokeh 
> existed before the word.  It however needed fast high quality lenses, that 
> would be routinely ! shot effectively wide open, for very narrow dof, to 
> see the effect that we call bokeh.....perhaps that was the key raison 
> d'etre that caused leica lenses to be associated with bokeh. Pioneers like 
> our Ted Grant, by shooting fast leica lenses wide open, were creating a 
> new vision, and ultimately a new word.... though they deny this being 
> their reason or their goal.
> 
> 
> 
>>  Thanks, Doug, for still understanding what I was writing.   Your point, 
>> though, is not as self-obvious as it would first appear.   Linguists have 
>> found that different language groups divide the visible spectrum up in 
>> different ways and have names for different colors within the continuum 
>> of the spectrum, so that, for example,  some cultures  have only two 
>> words for the range from yellow through green to blue, omitting our word 
>> green.   When asked what they call what we see as green, they answer 
>> either yellow or blue, depending on where the shade of green falls.   
>> They don't "see" green, only yellow and blue.   So does green exist for 
>> them?   No, it doesn't:  what they see is either yellow or blue.
>> 
>> Did bokeh exist for us before we borrowed the Japanese word for it and 
>> became aware of it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert Meier wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nobody knew what broken was. 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> We didn't have a word for it.  That doesn't preclude its existence.
>>> 
>>> Doug Herr
>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9…bokeh)
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