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Subject: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
From: jon.streeter at cox.net (jon.streeter)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:52:29 -0800

The profit-driven health-care system in the US is, I have read, largely the 
result of government regulation molded by wealthy and powerful insurance 
companies and by plaintiffs' attorneys' ruinous lawsuits which have caused 
doctors to pay exorbitant insurance premiums and to practice preventive CYA 
testing procedures all of which adds to the cost.  

Few price shop for health care, so doctors have little incentive to reduce 
prices but plenty of incentive to raise them.  Ironically, this situation, I 
have read, includes a government-regulated system which refuses to authorize 
realistic fees to doctors.  Many doctors are refusing to treat Medicare 
patients.  Others have quit the medical profession because of insurance 
premiums.  A severe shortage of doctors has been predicted under the ACA.

It will be interesting to see if the world continues to come to the US for 
the best medical care.  I should think the world's needy would be 
innundating Canada, maybe Cuba, both of which supposedly have great free 
medical care.  

I have also read that Canadians have to wait months for doctors' 
appointments compared to days here in the US and that their system works 
only because they have the option of sending some of their patients to be 
treated in the US.  I wonder if under "free" health care, that option will 
remain open.



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----- Reply message -----
From: "FRANK DERNIE" <frank.dernie at btinternet.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 9:20 am


I am in the UK. I have travelled the world for work for 35 years. I have, 
thankfully, almost never needed medical care but in both France and the UK 
it has been satisfactory when needed.
My mother needs medical help quite often and I always accompany her, since 
her memory is going. She is always kindly and patiently treated.
My sixth grandchild was born last week in the John Radcliffe Infirmary in 
Oxford. I can't imagine anywhere has better care or more delightful midwives.
The NHS is pretty good in my experience.

I must say I have always been concerned to need medical care in the US. I 
don't doubt the quality of the care (should I?) but since it is a very 
profitable "industry" in the US the potential charges scare me sh*tless.

Anyway, my present to me when I retired was a promise to never go to an 
airport again, so a moot point...

FD



>________________________________
> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 16:26
>Subject: Re: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>
>As a father of two children currently living in the UK, I can only say that 
>our family's experience with the NHS has been uniformly positive. And if 
>you think the US "free market" system does not ration care, you live in a 
>dream world.
>
>Cheers,
>Nathan
>
>Nathan Wajsman
>Alicante, Spain
>http://www.frozenlight.eu
>http://www.greatpix.eu
>PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>
>
>YNWA
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 18, 2012, at 4:25 PM, jon.streeter wrote:
>
>> Don't get me started on socialized medicine.? Britain stopped treating 
>> macular-degeneration patients a couple of years ago on the grounds that, 
>> well, it's incurable.? So let's forget about trying?? What's next?? Stop 
>> treating the elderly because they're going to die pretty soon anyway??
>> Your hospital fired you:? was it something you said?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "scleroplex" <scleroplex at gmail.com>
>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>> Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 5:35 am
>>
>>
>> Dear Douglas,
>> My best wishes to your wife and you.
>>
>> I am always sad to hear of missed diagnoses because imaging was not
>> resorted to early on.
>> It is an enduring fight with both insurance companies and socialists 
>> within
>> medicine for whom
>> the total cost to society outweighs any benefit to the individual.
>>
>> The socialists running the hospital which fired me 2 years ago has
>> published numerous papers
>> aiming to scare people away from imaging as well as defaming the 
>> intentions
>> of doctors who order MRI scans.
>> My takedown of their latest fraud is here -
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/scleroplex/6811713204/
>>
>> It is very sad that the two of you have been put into this spin cycle in
>> the first place.
>> Never ever ever give up and do remain aggressive.
>>
>> There are many breast cancer trials presently -
>> http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=breast+cancer&recr=Open&rslt=&type=&cond=&intr=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&gndr=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=
>> One can search by country as well.
>>
>> Enjoy every single day.
>> Bharani
>>
>> Bharani Padmanabhan MD PhD
>> Boston
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 28
>> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:18:37 -0000
>> From: "Douglas Barry" <imra at iol.ie>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
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>>
>> A very rough period for both of you, Gerry, I hope all goes well.
>>
>> My wife and I are spinning through the same rinse cycle in that particular
>> hellish washing machine right now. G was diagnosed in the latter part of
>> August - primary breast cancer with lots of secondary tumours in her 
>> bones.
>> Missed by two doctors when she went to them about her bad back. Took a 
>> third
>> visit and a demand for an MRI to determine the real problem. Specialist 
>> team
>> are great though. However, no promise of cure either, but they're hoping 
>> it
>> can be controlled. I could fill several pages on the various operations 
>> and
>> hospital stays, but...
>>
>> Anyway she was released home yesterday three inches shorter than she used 
>> to
>> be, but hopefully things will pick up from now on.
>>
>> Personally, photography has gone out the window in a blizzard of domestic
>> duties. It's certainly an altered life.
>>
>> Douglas
>>
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