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Subject: [Leica] Nikon forum advice (OT!)
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (philippe.amard)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:23:26 +0200
References: <002b01cd5d96$f2bfb520$d83f1f60$@chiaroscuro.co.nz> <CC1FFA6E.20D44%mark@rabinergroup.com> <002c01cd5da2$01778e70$0466ab50$@chiaroscuro.co.nz>

I have to agree - what john describes seems the best nikon compromise  
to this day
Ph, waiting for the photokina and the R9 diesel ...


Le 9 juil. 12 ? 09:11, John McMaster a ?crit :

> I think you are wrong ;-) It was touted as what you say and reasonably
> pricey but too many users have been disappointed. That is now two  
> people I
> know of on LUG who are unhappy with it....  I think pros will stick  
> to the
> f2.8 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 and multiple bodies but even they  
> struggle for
> top performance on the D800(E), so G series (or Zeiss) primes!
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Yea that 28-300 is a really a ridiculous monster and he raves about  
> it its
> crazy. Are the specs really that good I don't know I doubt many pros  
> will
> use it.  And in comparison the 24-120 seems tame certainly to him. But
> compared to any other serious zoom its a bit more extreme.
> The 24-120 is roughly the same size as other top zooms though they are
> 2.8's. Its a step wider in ratio than a 24 - 85, the zoom that I  
> most often
> use now. And that lens has been totally revamped so its a G lens now  
> with VR
> and ED and the whole bit. Possibly a better lens for me. I do think  
> you're
> going to be reading a lot of real good reviews about the newest  
> 24-120 and
> be seeing a lot of really good people using it and be able to see  
> those
> really good results. I think nikon has put a lot into this lens to  
> make it
> the lens most often sold with a camera body by people who want  
> something
> better than the kit lens.
> In other words its Nikons high end kit lens.
> Its not going to disappoint.
> If people are getting bad results with it lets see them.
> Nikon doesn't mess up that often and it learns its lessons.
>
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>
>
>>
>> Why does Mr Rockwell not point this out? I think he "raves" about an
>> even more extreme zoom (28-300?)......
>>
>> john
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> Lets not forget 24 to 120 is a 5X zoom ratio.
>> For many discerning users that's way higher than any other lens they
>> own or use.
>> Traditionally such do-all "idiot lenes" are spurned by serious
>> shooters and pros. I do think that at least that the current version
>> of this optic has crossed over. It is used by discerning people.
>> No its not going to be used for architectural shots and interiors but
>> it is used by events photographers and I'm sure photojournalists.
>>
>> But its not the kind of thing where you're looking at the extreme
>> corners wide open or stopped down only one and worrying about it.
>> 24mm
>> 28mm
>> 35mm
>> 50mm
>> 85mm
>> 105mm
>> 120mm
>> That's a lot of focal lengths, Seven, 7, to all be good at.
>> Normally I'd be picking about a zoom with a much more on conservative
> ratio.
>> Leica made a  28 mm - 70 mm - f/3.5-4.5 What's that zoom ration I
>> don't know how to do the math?
>> It covers not seven but four of these focal lenghts.
>> I bet it stands up to some serious corner pixel peeping maybe even
>> wide open.
>>
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>
>>
>>> From: Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:22:55 -0400
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon forum advice (OT!)
>>>
>>> Well, as luck would have it, since I had not seen today's updates on
>>> the LUG in Barcelona thread, the thread has given rise to one on
>>> exactly the lens I'm having a problem with, the new AF-S Nikkor
>>> 24-120 mm f/4G lens. I got one to replace the earlier version, which
>>> as far as I was concerned was only really weak in the corners, in
>>> hopes of better overall performance and an additional stop at the  
>>> longer
> FLs.
>>>
>>> The corner performance at  wide apertures at 24mm is just as  
>>> horrible
>>> as that of its predecessor, with worse chromatic aberration thrown  
>>> in.
>>> The central performance is a little better than that of the earlier
>>> version, though contrast is deplorable wide open. I borrowed a copy
>>> of the new AF-S Nikkor
>>> 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 zoom to compare size (much smaller diameter and
>>> length), weight (one-third less), and performance in the context of
>>> its price (55% less).
>>>
>>> At 24mm and f/5.6, in the corners, the cheaper 24-85 blows the '120
>>> away at the same aperture, and gives comparable image quality to the
>>> '120 in the center. Its corner images are closer to those of the  
>>> 24mm
>>> f/1.4 prime at 5.6 than to those of the '120.
>>>
>>> I'll post some examples tomorrow.
>>>
>>> <howard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Leowesson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which lens?
>>>>
>>>> Leo Wesson
>>>> www.leowesson.com
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2012, at 10:55, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm deeply unhappy with an aspect of the performance of a new  
>>>>> Nikon
>>>>> lens I just bought. I suspect (hope) the problem is due to a
>>>>> defective lens and is not characteristic of this design, since in
>>>>> this respect it is significantly out-performed by a much cheaper
>>>>> and largely comparable lens, both lenses being current and of  
>>>>> recent
> design.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which Nikon forum might be best to air this question in? I don't
>>>>> participate in any forum other than the LUG, so I could use some
>>>>> guidance. I have submitted my complaint, and some representative
>>>>> crops of images to illustrate it, to Nikon tech support as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any suggestions,
>>>>>
>>>>> <howard
>>>>>
>
>
>
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