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Subject: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1 - IMAGE SHOT @6400
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:40:20 -0400

I would suggest to anyone who does not like reading my posts is to sort
their email lug folder by name. select all of mine. And delete them. And I'm
sorry for all the trouble.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:17:40 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1 - IMAGE SHOT @6400
> 
> The only difference though between Leica and Polaroid in this digital
> transition is that Polaroid is dead and Leica is booming.
> To me its a shame they come out with a monochrome camera which I agree is
> gimmicky instead of first upgrading the sensor in the M9. I don't think 
> that
> makes them look good. Once the M9 is up to snuff to photographers will 
> start
> buying them and using them for very visible jobs.
> And that's the difference between public relations and advertizing.
> Making a superior product you don't have to pay off people to use is good
> public relations.  You're not paying anybody. They're paying you.
> Advertizing is you're paying for visibility.
> Public relations at least in this case is free visibility. And as they
> bought the camera in this case they're paying you.
> 
> And I do think their are two kinds of Leica M shooters. The ones who
> tolerate a rangefinder for the glass. And the ones who don't care about
> glass they just want a rangefinder camera. We have people here on the list
> shooting their M's with anything BUT Leica glass. They're shooting
> Voigtl?nder or Zeiss from Cosina.
> Though right now Leica cant make either lenses or bodies fast enough for 
> the
> demand.
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bd at bdcolenphoto.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:45:34 +0000
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1 - IMAGE SHOT @6400
>> 
>> It definitely is - but I doubt that Leica is going to get there without
>> gimmickry - like a monochrome sensor. The sad reality is that it is a film
>> company - period, and obviously lacks electronics people the caliber of 
>> its
>> lens designers and makers. What has happened to Leica with digital is a 
>> bit
>> like what happened to Polaroid.
>> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:42:37
>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1 - IMAGE SHOT @6400
>> 
>> This ISO 6400 is easily better than any ISO 3200 image from my M9. The 
>> most
>> I would "dare" to use is ISO 2500. A few of my best images are taken at 
>> ISO
>> 2500. How I would love to have a clean ISO 3200...
>> 
>> But looks like it's definitely within reach...
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So here is an image shot 6400 ISO, using, I believe, the 35 1.4 @ 1.4 on
>>> the Fuji XPro1. I shot in RAW, converted to JPG, did some very minor
>>> levels adjustment, and NO sharpening, and NO noise reduction. The one
>>> problem with this image, and all other RAW images shot with the Xpro, is
>>> that, quite obviously, Adobe has not yet got the DNG Converter worked out
>>> quite right for the Xpro files. For now, I am going to shoot JPGs.
>>> 
>>> But in terms of the 6400 iso - I've got less than no complaints. When I 
>>> am
>>> shooting low light images I am a., not looking for fine micro detail, or
>>> b., planning to carry around a loupe to examine the images. Compare this
>>> to any image from an M8 or M9 shot at 3200 iso, and, for that matter,
>>> compare it to the Fuji 1600 iso film shot in an M. It's great to demand
>>> clean images when shooting digital at 100 or 200 iso, or when shooting
>>> something like Fuji Acros, but an image at 6400?
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/bdcolen/PHOTOS/060212_and_Commencement_003
>>> 0.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS - The photo is nothing - just a demonstration.  :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>> 
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