Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/13

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:49:34 -0400

Erins books are so successful and his advice so sought after because he is
not uncritically praising Leica.  As no one would have any time for that.
He is not in general put to task on his integrity.
Mainly it only comes from handful of idiots on this list.
I do not agree with everything Erwin says.
I've met him and communicated with him in the past.
And I've used many of the lenes he's reviewed and time and time again
discussed. I've made large darkroom prints from them on a calibrated
enlarger with quality enlarging glass. And seen them projected with quality
(Leica) glass. My results and experience with Leica glass and cameras mainly
agrees with his. 98% Which is why he has my respect. And the respect of the
photographic community as a whole.

Have you read his book?
Have you used Leica glass?

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:30:22 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Erwin and you both worship Leica as though it were the messiah. People
> wouldn't question his credibility if he did not uncritically praise
> anything Leica, while dissing anything else, no matter how good.
> 
> If you want to compare to Jayanand's work, it would be as though a writer
> for the Wall Street Journal constantly praised a single mutual fund
> company as though its products were the only thing worth investing in,
> regardless of the company's fund's actual performance, while putting down
> even funds that outperform his chosen company's funds. If he did that, it
> would be considered dishonest and the government would investigate to see
> if he was taking bribes or kickbacks...because that is typically why
> someone is so uncritically praising of something in the business world.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> On 6/13/12 11:16 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> Edwin Puts was on the LUG for many years and many of us will personally
>> vouch for his integrity. Which of course needs none. He is a recognized
>> optical expert. Is known to at times shoot with Canon cameras and lenes.
>> And
>> deserves to not have his professional integrity put to question or
>> otherwise
>> casually thrown up for grabs.
>> Just as much as you'd not deserve to have your broker professionalism
>> casually thrown up for grabs by a bunch of financial trading dabblers..
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:53:51 +0530
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
>>> 
>>> When are we going to get some independent reviewers to test this baby?
>>> Leica seems to be very careful in whom it gives test cameras/lenses to,
>>> in
>>> order not to take risks in the news flow, and keep it unfailingly
>>> positive!
>>> Edwin Puts is by no stretch of the imagination an independent reviewer -
>>> how do his views matter at all, because even if he is right, how do we
>>> know
>>> that it is so? Not worth reading at this present time - maybe later for
>>> an
>>> insight or two after reading a few independent reviews.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jono Slack's was with present(ish) glass - 50mm Summilux asph, 75mm
>>>> APO-Summicron and 90mm Elmarit-M.
>>>> 
>>>> A test to see at what magnification the 50mm APO-Summicron asph betters
>>>> the Summilux asph would be useful, if little difference in 16" x 24"
>>>> what
>>>> is the need?
>>>> 
>>>> Puts has just added to his blog
>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/optics/styled-5/chromatic.html
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Everyone is using the new 50.  I wonder how it performs with the other
>>>> present day and past Leica glass.
>>>> 
>>>> Aram
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> For those interested. Of course, Forbes Magazine likes it (-:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for me, I am waiting for someone who takes part in Print Exchanges
>>>>> to
>>>>> buy it, so I can see a print of a photo taken with it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2012/05/leica-m-monochrom-links/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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