Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/19

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Subject: [Leica] Shocking: MM images do not look like film!
From: gerry.walden at me.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:48:47 +0100
References: <CBDCB5FE.1E6B6%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Very well put Mark, and I am with you all the way.

Gerry

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On 19 May 2012, at 07:29, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> My point is not to say people are saying film is better.
> But that its being said there is a discernable difference even at smallish
> file sizes Between film and digital imagery.
> And I feel strongly there is no tonality advantages to film unless the sun
> is in the picture behind some clouds. Maybe.
> They only way you know film from digital is where the noise lands.
> Highlights for film, shadows for digital.
> And you see those kinds of things only in real big pix. Not the stuff we 
> see
> on the internet. Which tends in most cases to be the only stuff anybody 
> ever
> sees.
> 
> I'm against film emulation software which puts grain in the highlights and
> gives a red over sensitive "tri x look".
> Its baloney. And The inference is there is some advantage to the "film
> Look".
> Well there is no "film look". Not in the file sizes we see on the internet.
> 
> If I and a lot of photographers I know thought that there was some
> worthwhile film look we'd be shooting film to get that look. Not digital 
> and
> hyper compensation for it.
> 
> I Can't Believe It's Yogurt!
> I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!
> 
> I'm against doing one thing and pretending its another thing.
> There's a real back stabbing passive aggressive element to it.
> 
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:24 +1200
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shocking: MM images do not look like film!
>> 
>> http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/leica-m-x-r/37364-leica-m-monochromatic-proces
>> sing-insights.html which links to
>> 
>> http://fotografz.smugmug.com/Photography/Jonos-MM-files/23016060_2TzGLp#!i=1
>> 851170263&k=swB4gbS
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> Mark, no one says film is better. If you look at the referred to images,
>> they were quite flat. The author eventually admits that he could have done
>> more and indeed he passed the files to other people who did more and the
>> images were 100% better.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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