Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/30

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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss vs Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:42:09 -0400

Mark, you're still harping on this Zeiss thing? Which you felt the need to
spew in response to me trying to sell my ZM Sonnar? I didn't need your
damned commentary. I'm selling that lens because I NEED THE MONEY. My
offering it for sale wasn't done to commit some fraud, contrary to your
ignorant little fantasy. You don't like the ZM lenses? Don't f--king buy
one. Otherwise, as the King of Spain said to Hugo Chavez: "?Por que no te
callas?" (why don't you shut up?).

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On 3/30/12 10:27 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

>People would like to think they can spend chump change on a consumer
>product
>which will save them 6 grand on the price of an M9. That's what happens in
>the Twilight Zone.   Not on planet real earth life where mainly about
>getting what you pay for. There is no free lunch. A Chevy is not a
>Mercedes.
>Both are cars. Both have four wheels. After that the similarities are few.
>
>And when a premium lens company in Germany hires a Japanese film to make a
>line of  consumer priced lenses using cheaper materials and production
>techniques the product is not "just as good" as their own product costing
>thousands not hundreds made back in Germany. There's just no way in the
>real
>world a thing like this is going to happen. Not by luck. Not by fate. Not
>by
>a hole in the time warp. Not by a close out sale at Wal-Mart. You want
>Zeiss? Pay for it. And I can recommend it. As I can recommend Leica.
>
>-- 
>Mark Rabiner
>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>
>
>> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3 at mac.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:10:25 -0500
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 
>>> I just wonder how much apologizing I have to do when I doubt a camera
>>>which
>>> cost 1000 usd and is a smaller format than an M9 gets compared to an
>>>M9 as
>>> if its going to be a better camera or something. I have to buy the
>>>camera
>>> first?
>> 
>> No need to apologize for "doubting" Mark.
>> I found the "comparison test" simply meaningless.
>> Both examples appeared sub par to my eyes.
>> 
>> And I quite agree with you that if I had an M9
>> I'd have no further need for any "relatively small" digital camera.
>> In fact I feel the same way about my M8.
>> Someone would have to show me something quite "special"
>> to compete with the size, weight and capability of the M8.
>> 
>>> I just don't feel like Leica needs to defend itself against cameras
>>>which
>>> were never meant to compete with it in the first place.
>> 
>> I quite agree.
>> Though the "photo world" loves to compare any thing that is about the
>>size of
>> an M9
>> to the M9 - makes for great headlines - "Is camera X, Y or Z the M9
>>Beater?"
>> 
>>> The price reflects materials and production tolerances.
>>> Quality control.
>> 
>> True - and again - agreed.
>> 
>> Though a Timex does keep time very well;
>> as does my does my 10 year old Motorola flip phone;
>> and my iPad.
>> 
>> And my '93 Saturn gets me from point A to point B
>> extremely economically.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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