Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/30

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Subject: [Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
From: mark at (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:27:06 -0400

People would like to think they can spend chump change on a consumer product
which will save them 6 grand on the price of an M9. That's what happens in
the Twilight Zone.   Not on planet real earth life where mainly about
getting what you pay for. There is no free lunch. A Chevy is not a Mercedes.
Both are cars. Both have four wheels. After that the similarities are few.

And when a premium lens company in Germany hires a Japanese film to make a
line of  consumer priced lenses using cheaper materials and production
techniques the product is not "just as good" as their own product costing
thousands not hundreds made back in Germany. There's just no way in the real
world a thing like this is going to happen. Not by luck. Not by fate. Not by
a hole in the time warp. Not by a close out sale at Wal-Mart. You want
Zeiss? Pay for it. And I can recommend it. As I can recommend Leica.

Mark Rabiner

> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3 at>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:10:25 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> I just wonder how much apologizing I have to do when I doubt a camera 
>> which
>> cost 1000 usd and is a smaller format than an M9 gets compared to an M9 as
>> if its going to be a better camera or something. I have to buy the camera
>> first?
> No need to apologize for "doubting" Mark.
> I found the "comparison test" simply meaningless.
> Both examples appeared sub par to my eyes.
> And I quite agree with you that if I had an M9
> I'd have no further need for any "relatively small" digital camera.
> In fact I feel the same way about my M8.
> Someone would have to show me something quite "special"
> to compete with the size, weight and capability of the M8.
>> I just don't feel like Leica needs to defend itself against cameras which
>> were never meant to compete with it in the first place.
> I quite agree.
> Though the "photo world" loves to compare any thing that is about the size 
> of
> an M9
> to the M9 - makes for great headlines - "Is camera X, Y or Z the M9 
> Beater?"
>> The price reflects materials and production tolerances.
>> Quality control.
> True - and again - agreed.
> Though a Timex does keep time very well;
> as does my does my 10 year old Motorola flip phone;
> and my iPad.
> And my '93 Saturn gets me from point A to point B
> extremely economically.
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at
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Replies: Reply from chris at (Chris Crawford) ([Leica] Zeiss vs Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1)
In reply to: Message from imagist3 at (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1)