[Leica] B&W Leica?

[abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)]

I have a really nice 30 x 50 print of Pt Reyes on my dining room wall from a 
full-frame image on my Canon 1Ds Mk II. Printed by a big Epson on Enhanced 
Matte paper. So you don't need to go to medium format.

I'm not worried about museums, though. :-)

Adam

On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> I printed 40 x 80 from 35mm negs twice.
> I went through three ten sheet boxes of the stuff.
> Most of it was medium format film some black and white but run through the
> Kreonite processor. But some of it was 35mm and not all of it slow film.
> And it held together farily well. As long as it was not right next to a
> print done with the medium format neg.
> To get that size from a digital capture I guess we're talking medium 
> format.
> But a normal full frame capture from a Canon or Nikon full frame digital 
> can
> get quite large I'd think 16x20 inch no problem. And the high rez versions
> of these sensors in bodes I'd think 20x24.
> So I don't think digital is cramping our style.
> Minor white said any print bigger than 16x20 was not archival becuae the
> museums were not equipped to store them properly. I think most people think
> of it as your classic serious print size with 20 x 24 much more rare. And
> bigger than that is almost tacky.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:34:17 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] B&W Leica?
>> 
>> Yes, yes. The thing is, one wants the most possible quality in the
>> least possible space & size. Right now, both my M9 and scanned 35mm
>> are good enough for 10x15 digital prints (including TX at 1600 boiled
>> in Acufine). It's inebriating to think of getting MF quality out of
>> the same camera. What happens if my sure-fire Pulitzer needs to be
>> blown up to 30x45 feet for the Grand Central Terminal installation?
>> I'm screwed.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Me too, Lew. On the "I-don't-really-get-it mix" end.
>>> But on the non theoretical end people are making monochrome images from
>>> their raw files from standard digital cameras EVERY DAY.
>>> Nobody told them about the evils of their Bayer layers in their cameras.
>>> Its like dying and going to heaven the way we can WYSIWYG real time
>>> filtering so that separation in the image can be maximized and made to 
>>> look
>>> exactly as the photographer wishes. As could not be done with a 1001 gels
>>> and glass filters in the field.
>>> There is no talk about the lack of quality of these images.
>>> There is no talk about  about the need to make them sharper or better.
>>> A black and white sensor camera is a fix for something which ain't broken
>>> but is quite the opposite... Doing real well.
>>> As far as black and white image making the digital age is a New 
>>> Renaissance.
>>> A new dream come true.
>>> 
>>> The black and white digital camera thing is a hold over from when black 
>>> and
>>> white film photographers were faced with the daunting task of 
>>> understanding
>>> and working with digital photography in the 1990s. And they were faced 
>>> with
>>> the unsavory idea of having a camera in hand which shot color. Kodak 
>>> made a
>>> black and white body and that was the obvious direction we thought we 
>>> should
>>> take. (I'm someone with then a black and white darkroom going way back)
>>> Though I believe that and the other bodies of Kodaks were fairly 
>>> disastrous
>>> in a highly experimental climate of early digital photography.
>>> 
>>> If someday someone makes a monochrome 24x36mm digital sensor and makes a
>>> large print with it from it which looks close to what you get from a 
>>> medium
>>> format digital sensor than people will sit up and take notice. A market 
>>> for
>>> the product will reveal itself instantly and the product then would have 
>>> the
>>> justification for being put into production.
>>> Until that time its ghostware being theorized mainly by people who have a
>>> big problem with digital photography and would rather shoot film with
>>> results we'll not be likely to ever see.
>>> 
>>> In the end a horrible thing happened. Digital photography got me doing a
>>> much higher percentage of color over black and white. And I didn't die 
>>> and
>>> go to hell.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:44:07 -0400
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] B&W Leica?
>>>> 
>>>> I'll just throw this into the I-don't-really-get-it mix: If the
>>>> sensors are deficient in registering any part of the spectrum, it
>>>> seems to me that it'd be pretty easy to compensate in the firmware
>>>> before or after writing it into storage.
>>>> 
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