Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/10/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Jayanand, the problem in India, as far as I can tell, is endemic and massive bribery and corruption. Any truly socialist system could never have existed in those conditions, whatever it was purported to be called. The taxes are high in Scandinavia, so there are fewer very rich people and fewer poor. Seems good to me. FD On 29 Oct, 2011, at 18:36, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: > Well we had a 'socialist' system in India from 1947 to 1991 which was an > utter and total disaster. I doubt any citizen, however poor, would want to > go down that road again. The US problem, as it is with Western Europe, is > that they think they have a God given right to pillage the worlds > resources to maintain 'a fair wage' and other such measures of a standard > of living, at the cost of 90% of the other inhabitants of the planet, for > whom that 'fair wage' is a veritable fortune. Well I think the time has > come where they have to learn to do without that at least a little bit at > a time. > > Again the myth of the Mom and Pop shop is just that - a romantic myth that > makes people feel fuzzy all over. It is certainly not sensible allocation > of capital under the economic system that the US follows. Creative > destruction is very much part of that tenet. You cannot have cheap goods > and high wages within the same country (not even in Scandinavia) without a > major, all pervasive subsidy system, which is paid for by the taxpayers, > either with stratospheric levels of tax, or high deficit financing. Do you > really want to go down that usually disastorous route? > > Cheers > Jayanand > > Sent from my iPad > > On 29-Oct-2011, at 9:53 PM, FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie at btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> The only socialist systems I know of are in Scandinavia and work well, I >> wish we were more like it here. >> I am not sure a Communist system has ever successfully been put in place. >> The USSR and China, to quote societies which have claimed to be >> communist, almost immediately turned into dictatorships where the >> privileged few were massively better off than the rest, about as far from >> communist as you can get. >> Humans are greedy, selfish and ruthless and any egalitarianism is not >> natural to the species... >> IMO >> FD >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011, 17:08 >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] We Surrender: A sign of the times in Fort Wayne >>> >>> It really is, you know, under Capitalist Economics. If you think not, >>> live under a Socialist or Communist system and pay 10x the price for any >>> item, which would also be of doubtful quality. Your choice! George, you >>> want the whole world's resources utilised only to supporting US >>> lifestyle forever. It won't happen. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 29-Oct-2011, at 8:16 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at >>>> gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> necessary event in the Capitalist >>>>> playing fields. >>>> >>>> Fascinating - to consider impoverishing local economies "necessary" to >>>> Capitalism. >>>> That thought is even sadder than the photograph. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information