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Subject: [Leica] OT Panel advises against prostate cancer screening - Yahoo! News
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:42:11 -0700
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On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Charlie Chan wrote:

> If I may, I might interject, as my day job is as a cancer surgeon, 
> treating breast cancer and melanoma.
> 
> The problem is to do with the balance of benefit v risk. Screening healthy 
> people is very different to treating people with symptoms. One day, 
> healthy people are walking down the street, the next they are facing a 
> life threatening diagnosis and all that entails. Biopsies, surgery with 
> possible complications etc. Problem with prostate cancer is that not all 
> prostate cancers are the same. Some people will get an more aggressive 
> form, but many people will have a more indolent version of the disease, 
> which doesn?t kill them.
> 
> Like all screening tests, there will be ?false positives? ie positive test 
> results (eg PSA blood test) in people who don?t have cancer, as well as 
> ?false negative? tests - ie a normal PSA in someone with cancer (very 
> unusual in prostate cancer). The false positive group is the real issue in 
> screening as we can potentially do harm to healthy people who don?t have 
> cancer. Even in people who do have cancer, not all of them will develop 
> the aggressive type that becomes non-responsive to hormone drugs. A 
> radical prostatectomy has its problems including urinary incontinence and 
> inability to have erections. Sure, you would trade that if you had the 
> aggressive prostate cancer type, but maybe not if you had the indolent 
> version. Difficult thing is that we can?t tell which person has which type 
> yet.
> 
> So, it?s not easy. Even breast screening with mammography is not as 
> straight forward as it seems. There are many who think (probably 
> correctly) that the benefits are far less than that which is trumpeted to 
> the public.



thanks very much Charlie, I totally agree...a delicate balance of 
benefit-risk, and a dilemma that for the moment is settled by the current 
recomendation.


Steve


> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Charlie Chan
> Cheltenham, UK
> 
> topoxforddoc at btinternet.com
> www.cancer-surgeon.co.uk
> www.charlie-chan.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 Oct 2011, at 19:57, Gary Pinkerton wrote:
> 
>> At first glance, it's as though they are saying that the screening itself 
>> (blood test) can cause problems.
>> But, isn't it more about how the results of the screening are dealt with 
>> (unnecesary surgeries, biopsies, etc)?
>> Of course, I'm easily confused, so maybe I'm misunderstanding what they 
>> are saying :)
>> 
>>> From: steve.barbour at gmail.com
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:40:05 -0700
>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>> Subject: [Leica] OT Panel advises against prostate cancer screening - 
>>> Yahoo!        News
>>> 
>>> this subject came up in the recent past...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> fyi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/panel-advises-against-prostate-cancer-screening-024452851.html
>>> 
>>> 
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