Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/08/20

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Subject: [Leica] Leica finances
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:44:51 +0200
References: <CACcosUPo0WhoBUOVBBtapVe7bPKQywwu8gKQ6CH1cj2wRC2ONg@mail.gmail.com> <738684F2-4C6B-42D2-8070-430043CD6754@steveunsworth.co.uk> <CAF8hL-GMQq9i7ud5QYgSQpfgRdKOyRQK5NPKbrJHHrPKuYt+gw@mail.gmail.com> <012a01cc5e9d$35ea84a0$a1bf8de0$@earthlink.net> <CAF8hL-EGQ1R2Y6WmSM_PdMhgDzasesc1Joaz6Cu6dLJ2OnRmUw@mail.gmail.com> <003701cc5ec6$a03d9df0$e0b8d9d0$@earthlink.net> <20FC22A1-B767-4219-ADFA-A246BCA4C086@teleport.com> <D6410D28-B03E-47CD-8807-702EAECC2871@btinternet.com>

Leica's biggest cost factor is labour - as it is for 
every company in Germany - the ancillary costs (often 
called the second wage) are almost as high as the 
salaries/wages and include a 50% contribution to health 
insurance premiums, social security, accident 
insurance, disability insurance and, and, and...

So somebody earning a monthly wage of say 2000 euros 
gross is costing the company between 2500 and 4000 
euros a month depending on age, marital status, 
children, seniority, health insurance premium.

Douglas

On 20.08.2011 11:07, Frank Dernie wrote:
> Cars, HiFi and so on have a manufacturing cost of around 10% of retail, 
> depending on where in the market.
> FD
>
> On 20 Aug, 2011, at 00:24, Mark Kronquist wrote:
>
>> Way back in 1988 or 1989 there was a GUTSY MACWORLD OR MACUSER ARTICLE ON 
>> WHAT IT REALLY COST TO MAKE A MACINTOSH SE which as I recall was the 
>> better part of $2k at the time...the article said about $250...
>>
>> The gnomes in Solms are making a tidy profit at current prices....
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Frank Filippone wrote:
>>
>>> The M8 is not necessarily a lot cheaper to produce than an M9.... most of
>>> the metalwork is the same, the processor is half as cheap ( worth about
>>> $30???) and the sensor is more expensive.. maybe an extra thou in resale
>>> ....
>>>
>>> So an M8 would cost ..... about $4-5K.  Not cheap enough.  Must get rid 
>>> of
>>> the RF/VF assembly, cut the metal down to plastic, and make it someplace
>>> besides Europe.
>>>
>>> I would guess the market is looking for a $1500-2.5K  M.....  About what 
>>> an
>>> M8 used is selling for.....needs a new design, made in Korea or Malaysia 
>>> or
>>> some other Asian cheap location....
>>>
>>> EVF?  Yup.  AF?  Yup... although how you do this with 60 year old lenses 
>>> I
>>> don't quite comprehend.....( See Contax AF from the past.....)
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> Red735i at earthlink.net
>>>
>>> Well, that's what I said but apparently it's a braindead idea according 
>>> to
>>> Geoff's source at
>>>
>>>
>>> :
>>>> That's the definition of the M8.........
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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