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Subject: [Leica] PESO: American
From: jshulman at judgecrater.com (Jim Shulman)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:59:24 -0400
References: <fe6e05156d91202bb52ad209b360257a@mail.gmail.com> <7C1E8F7B014B45B0A6CFE01DB7BA16F0@syneticfeba505> <1826a7cfce6c0f4496a42e688bbf4eff@mail.gmail.com> <DBCFAD5F73C64E8182CE421FAD6F093B@syneticfeba505> <9A3DB0CC-CA4F-4358-8905-FFD6433C4EB5@usjet.net>

Only if you change their status, or if Blurb goes the way of all flesh.
That's the beauty of cheap digital storage: it can sit on their servers
indefinitely.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Meier
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: American

Jim's book is still available on Blurb:

http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/957257

Do Blurb books ever go out of print?

Robert

On May 11, 2011, at 10:25 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Jim Shulman said:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: American
>
>
>> You're not the first to mention this to me lately.  Actually, I've
>> had
>> about four people say something similar, and one professional
>> designer
>> volunteer to put the whole thing together.
>>
>> In the case of Kyle's book, it was the guns that attracted the
>> publisher.
>> They knew a hot button--and he got them at the right time as they
>> were
>> (slightly) shifting their emphasis from collector books to art.
>> In my
>> case, I don't think that Ben and Jerry's can compete with Smith and
>> Wesson.<<<<<<<
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> You maybe right on the guns vs. Ben & Jerry's? However in this case
> you have to "show no mercy take no prisoners" and get it in front
> of the same publisher and or other publishers if necessary. If at
> worst he says... "Sorry not us!"
>
> But before you show him, have a couple, if not a few other
> publishers lined up that you can call the minute you walk out of
> his office if he says , "Nope not us!" If you do not have that
> situation in hand first, you'll come out discouraged  and down !
> And that means you've got to start digging for publishers all over
> again while in a down mental state of.... "it's never going to
> happen etc!" A couple of other publishers in place on your list and
> you're right on their case to have a look.
>
> I believe there's great potential here for a book! First make about
> ten to a dozen big prints... 11X17 paper or 13X19, real smashing
> good ones. Burn everything on a disc and take both with you.
> Handing the publisher a half dozen or so "REAL PRINT PHOTOGRAPHS"
> works like magic! Today they're so accustomed to looking at
> everything on the screen that when holding a real print photograph
> in hand for many, is a whole brand new exercise of enjoyment of
> looking at photographs instead of the "same old screen!"
>
> Any questions? The door is open. :-)
> cheers,
> ted
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>>
>> Nevertheless, I'm starting to cull..and shoot..and shoot.
>>
>> Best, and many thanks again!
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tedgrant at shaw.ca
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:49 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: American
>>
>> Jim Shulman SHOWED:
>> Subject: [Leica] PESO: American
>>
>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/focusit/american+sm_001.jpg.html
>>
>> Good morning Jim,
>> Given the years of looking at your incredible captures of a
>> particular
>> segment of the American population as we see in these two. Have
>> you ever
>> considered doing a book? "THE AMERICAN'S! A sub-culture!" Or some
>> title
>> along those lines? Oh it should bring some hell-fire anti-
>> comments .... "
>> THAT ISN'T WHAT WE ARE LIKE ETC ETC!" But any controversy good,
>> bad or
>> ugly
>> is great! It's super publicity and helps sell thousands of
>> copies. :-) And
>>
>> my friend that is the name of the game in publishing a book..... "the
>> hoped
>> for major dollar return for your efforts! Like it or not! "
>>
>> If we look at Kyle Cassidy's fabulous book "Armed America" as a
>> sample in
>> the population, why not show this completely other side of the
>> culture
>> coin?"
>>
>> It's a natural, probably occurs every weekend somewhere in the
>> USA. But
>> you
>> appear to find the characters not so far from home, that if it
>> were a book
>>
>> with a travel advance from the publisher it would allow sites far
>> from
>> home.
>> If necessary. Although hardly appears to be so in the collection
>> so far.
>>
>> In your collection too date I'm sure you could put together a hundred
>> images
>> in about a 24-48 hour time frame and have it ready for publication
>> without
>>
>> to much effort. It isn't like you are fabricating the images as
>> they're
>> right out in the open for the world to see. And being out in
>> public, all
>> these people are fair game having their pictures taken unbeknown
>> or not.
>>
>> And if not a book, a smashing great exhibition at MOMA in New York
>> would
>> draw thousands, I'm sure. I'd have these two characters as the cover
>> picture
>> and lead image for promotion of any exhibition or book publicity.
>>
>> Just a passing thought on a book, as we've seen a never ending
>> array of
>> like
>> "CHARACTERS" over the years!
>>
>> Actually a shot at Kyle's publisher might be the first one to hit
>> on!?
>> I'm
>> sure Kyle could at least get you in the door for a first show and
>> tell
>> discussion rather than going in cold ?
>>
>> PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ted
>>
>>
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