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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: check out Keith Wessel's photographs
From: ricc at embarqmail.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:15:59 -0500
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wages are perhaps the least important element in collective bargaining

ric


On Mar 11, 2011, at 5:04 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> On Mar 11, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Frank Filippone wrote:
> 
>> What does collective bargaining have to do with this argument?
> 
> Precisely what we're asking.
> 
>> NO MONEY.
> 
> We must stop pretending that this is so.
> Call it the canard that it is.
> MONEY did not disappear.
> Perceived VALUE has diminished.
> The MONEY still exists and we know who has it.
> 
>> Something needs to be done
>> to balance or attempt to balance budgets, and there are only a few ways to
>> save money.
> 
> Why will no discuss REVENUE.
> Every budget has two elements: Income. Expenses.
> When expenses have been cut to the bone
> one MUST discuss INCOME.
> 
>> You STOP SPENDING.  And then you look for ways to balance
>> your personal expenses.....  
> 
> AND INCREASE INCOME!
> 
>> Why should anyone think Government is or should
>> be different?
> 
> Shouldn't.
> 
>> Pension reform is coming..... if only by the mandate of bankruptcy... no 
>> tax
>> revenue money = no government money = no pension money = no payouts.... 
> 
> Why are we not talking about off-shore tricks?
> Why are we not talking about the IRS enforcing existing regulations and 
> collections
> from the largest tax dodgers and loophole exploiters?
> We must stop the "let's pretend" manners
> as if we don't want to offend our hosts.
> 
>> Sorry for all of you out there that do get a pension ( teachers, other
>> government employees, and you too commercial Union pensioneers, etc....)
> 
> In Wisconsin about the only solvent, in the black, pool is the teachers 
> pension fund.
> I guarantee that this governor will raid that self sufficient fund 
> and give it to his corporate cronies under the guise of business 
> incentives.
> These are rip-off schemes.
> I have grown so tired of this "let's pretend" game.
> 
>> Collective bargaining is or should be efficient, not unassailable......
> 
> 
> It is a SIMPLE and NECESSARY concept
> of a group of adults sitting down and discussing these matters
> IN GOOD FAITH.
> Whether one does for him or herself.
> or as a group - it is obviously necessary.
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser 
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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