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Subject: [Leica] What are the most important aspects of a photographic image ?
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:19:54 -0800
References: <C9492484.8C71%mark@rabinergroup.com> <4D23C5EA.8090602@cox.net>

As I understand it, the CoC is also related to how large the expected final
print is, and most people don't expect you blow up a 35mm to mural sized
print...

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> It might conceivably still have some use in the digital age.  I calculated
> the DOF for 35mm full-frame with a 50mm f/1.0 lens and the subject at five
> feet, and it came out to a near limit of 4.91 feet and a far limit of 5.09
> feet.  I guess there you just go for the eyes and hope they're not too big.
>  That was with a circle of confusion of .03mm.   Don't know how these
> calculations relate to those marked on the lens.  For 35mm the COC used is
> .03mm and I remember it being considerably smaller for LF.  This is 
> probably
> because the 35mm lenses are sharper than the LF lenses.  I think.
> http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
>
> Ken
>
>
> On 1/4/2011 6:24 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
>> For years I thought the CIRCLE OF CONFUSION was an insider joke
>> photographers played on people trying to learn photography. And that it
>> really didn't exist at all. Then I tried to place into an advanced photo
>> class in a community college (color printing) and had to take a placement
>> test and got in trouble.
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  From: Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:12:27 -0600
>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] What are the most important aspects of a
>>> photographic
>>> image ?
>>>
>>> I have willed that part out of my mind.  I did make a spreadsheet with
>>> the formulas for front and back focus (Lotus 123 in those days instead
>>> of Excel).  Here are the calculations:
>>> http://www.dofmaster.com/equations.html
>>> I like autofocus better.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2011 8:58 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which circle of confusion did you pick?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photography
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>>>> Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From: leo wesson<leowesson at gmail.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:41:38 -0600
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] What are the most important aspects of a
>>>>> photographic
>>>>> image ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Leo Wesson
>>>>> 817.733.9157
>>>>> www.leowesson.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 19:30, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  My first photo seminar was with a Famous West Coast Photographer.  His
>>>>>> advice
>>>>>> was ditch the 35mm and get a real camera (I think I brought an M3 and
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of Summicrons, or maybe a Contax to the class, but definitely
>>>>>> TriX).
>>>>>> So I bought a nice 4x5 field outfit, a Linhof Technica and lenses, and
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> good measure an 8x10 rig also.  The focus part was a little tedious.
>>>>>>  Once
>>>>>> you knew the distance to the target, you pulled out a little chart for
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> lens that showed the range of focus for each stop, based on your
>>>>>> desired
>>>>>> circle of confusion.  Then you measured the various zones, which gave
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> key to the ISO for that shot and thus the development time for that
>>>>>> particular sheet, based on your densitometer tests.  After, of course,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had consulted your reciprocity failure chart.  Sometimes it happened
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the time I made the exposure everything of interest, including the
>>>>>> light,
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> vanished.  Then the light bulb began to flicker on that something
>>>>>> more...immediate...m
>>>>>>
>>>>>   ight be appropriate.  Then, Gracia Dios, along came digital and the
>>>>> exposure
>>>>> comp dial.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/3/2011 6:33 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think its nice to get the thing in focus most the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>>> Photography
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>>>>>>> Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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