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Subject: [Leica] IMG: My dog is famous (sort of)
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:02:49 +0100
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Sorry Peter, but I tend to agree with Tina, despite what you wrote. If it 
had been a non-profit organization, I might look at it differently. But in 
the end it is your photo and you do with it what you want.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
http://www.frozenlight.eu
http://www.greatpix.eu
http://www.nathanfoto.com
PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog

YNWA







On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> You are right, Peter.  I was there telling you not to give your photos away
> for nothing.  How do you know it had no commercial value?  I sell photos
> every day that would be considered throwaway home happy snaps.  If you give
> them away for nothing, you will never know if you could have sold them and
> you diminish the value of all photography by giving your creative work
> away..  Credit is worth demanding but only if it is accompanied by actual
> money!!
> 
> I'll get off my soapbox now, but I hope no one ever gives their photos away
> for only a credit :-(
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Nathan: I understand how you feel.  When I got the request, I could almost
>> feel the sprit of Tina Manley on my shoulder, whispering disapprovingly in
>> my ear (sorry, Tina).  :-)
>> 
>> But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I had more to
>> gain by saying yes than no, and I was not taking bread out of any other
>> photographer's mouth by saying yes.  The site mixes celebrity pet photos
>> with stuff people voluntarily send in. And the photo they wanted had no
>> real commercial value.  It's just a cute throwaway home happy snap.
>> <http://www.peoplepets.com/photos/cute/hanukkah-2010-dog-and-cat-photos/10
>>> 
>> 
>> So I could get a credit on a site that is associated with a prominent
>> publication, or I could stand on principle and do nothing for anyone. My
>> saying no would not persuade PeoplePets to pay for stuff, they are awash
>> in silly point-and-shoot pet shots that people send in. They would have
>> simply used someone else's shot, or had one less photo in the series.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I was once asked to give one of my best photos away to
>> the publicity company that handles PR for Seattle's summer fireworks
>> display. In that case, I said a firm no.
>> <
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563 at 
>> N04/3691589024/sizes/o/in/set-72157622757851420/
>>> 
>> 
>> The arts world is has always been rife with people not getting paid for
>> things they do, and with people getting credit for what others have
>> actually done. The Internet has only devalued our work further. In this
>> case, I felt like getting a credit was worth it. If being able to say that
>> People, Inc. published one of my photos helps get another of my photos
>> published for pay someday, it will have been well worth it.  If not,
>> nothing lost.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> Peter,
>> 
>>> Cute dog, but I would not have let a commercial site use a photo for
>> free.
>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>> 
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>> 
>>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Peter Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> My dog Tilly has just appeared in a ?Chanukah Pets? photo series on a
>> site
>>> of People Magazine?s, called PeoplePets.
>>> 
>> http://www.peoplepets.com/photos/cute/hanukkah-2010-dog-and-cat-photos/10
>>> 
>>> I?m happy to report that she wasn?t dressed up funny, she was merely
>>> exercising one of her Border Terrier core competencies:  Mooching food!
>>> 
>>> The editor saw the photo on flickr, contacted me and asked if they could
>>> use it.  No, they don?t pay.  Evidently having a famous pet for fifteen
>>> minutes should be sufficient reward.  Tilly has no plans to appear on any
>>> reality shows in the forseeable future. Informed insiders say that our
>>> relationship is rock-solid, so hold the stories on her leaving me for a
>>> rock star.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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