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Subject: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:44:03 -0500

The rez is low enough (small pix) with the very lowest ISO's that we could
be looking at credit card pants pocket cameras and never know the
difference. A real test would involve at least mid range ISO's like 400 and
full rez results.


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> From: Philip Forrest <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:12:51 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9
> 
> That's not wrong at all though.
> The M9 file was much more blue, a little unreal. Just different
> profiles.
> The R9 file looked more natural but at the same time there was less
> light in the blue end for the camera to work with.
> 
> All that aside, Tina could be fooling you all with a Nikon Coolpix 990
> for all you know. You cannot tell from looking at a computer screen
> what camera took what photo, so making a judgment as to what is right
> or wrong is outrageous. If she had posted the original raw files,
> maybe, but she didn't.
> 
> Kyle's been wowing everyone with iphone and digilux photos for quite
> some time now, proving that if all we do is use the electronic medium
> for our work, then there's no reason to have more than 2 million
> pixels. 
> 
> This can be proved with a D40 vs an M9 or an S2 or whatever. Get a
> decent lens (one that doesn't have a wonky front optical unit nor any
> decentering issues) of approximately the same coverage and aperture for
> aperture, you're not going to see the difference on a computer screen so
> long as the smallest sensor is the guide by which all the other larger
> images are cropped. It's like trying to judge how good a camera image
> is by looking at a newsprint photo.
> 
> Phil Forrest
> 
> 
> On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:27:32 -0500
> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> If your picking a cropped file from a 5 year old sensor over results
>> from a just out current full frame M9 with a 90 Summicron there is
>> something wrong with the processing of the files. Or your eyes. Or
>> both. Also something very basically wrong with the universe.
>> 
>> It's like that Wolfgang Pauli guy says:
>> "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
>>  Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And in the movie "Rocky" 1976
>> Paulie: I want you outta here instamatically.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (CST)
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9
>>> 
>>> Tina,
>>> 
>>> It kind of re-enforces my preference for R8/9-DMR files over the
>>> M8/9 files. Both are good, but the R9DMR beats the M9 as far as
>>> color and dynamic range.
>>> 
>>> Gene
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net>
>>> To: "lug" <lug at leica-users.org>, "Leica Reflex"
>>> <leicareflex at freelists.org> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2010
>>> 6:06:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Leica] Comparison
>>> M9, R9
>>> 
>>> LUG and Leica Reflex:
>>> 
>>> Here are two shots from today.  One with the M9 and 90 Summicron:
>>> 
>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020
>>> 
>>> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020>and one with the
>>> R9, DMR, and 80 Summilux:
>>> 
>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614
>>> 
>>> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614>What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>> 
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