Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/10/23

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Subject: [Leica] D700
From: photo.forrest at (Philip F)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:16:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

The Navy's issued 24-120 VR became a manual focus only lens after about 2 
weeks in Iraq. The zoom barely worked also, and the front optical group felt 
like it was going to drop out of the helical at any time. I eventually just 
taped it to 24mm and used the 50mm f/1.8 that Kyle Cassidy sent me while I 
was in Fallujah. Granted, the 24-120 VR was probably not meant for desert 

This is a symptom of instantaneous pixel peeping these days I think. I'm 
guilty of it too. But really, if you had a Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 and a Leica 21mm 
f/2.8 pre-asph Elmarit, the Zeiss is the Leica's equal and with regard to 
some image aspects, it's better than the Leica lens. Even Erwin Puts has 
said as much, but in the mind of the Leica shooter there could be that 
question that the Leica might be insignificantly better even though it's 
almost 3x the price. I love my Zeiss 21, but have thought a few times about 
the alternatives... naa... 
my next project is to graft a Holga 80mm onto a Leica body cap and use that 
on the M9. I wonder what lens I'll code it as...

Phil Forrest

-----Original Message-----
>From: kyle cassidy on the lug <leicaslacker at>
>Sent: Oct 23, 2010 1:50 PM
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] D700
>i have the 24-120 VR and i'd never noticed anything bad about it until i 
>read a bad review of it and started comparing it with my tokina 28-70 which 
>suddenly seemed a lot sharper. i've done no tree-bark tests with it. the 
>24-120 has always seemed adequate to me without being outstanding, but i 
>use it less now with the predjuice of that bad review. it could all be 
>On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> From what I know the 24-120 established a bad rep from day one but was
>> completely redone a few years later then completely redone again then a 
>> few
>> years later completely redone again with VR. It could be ok by now though 
>> I
>> like zooms which vear on the conservative side. But the 24-120 has VR.
>> And VR is a not to be an underestimated game changer.
>> Voucher Recharge
>> Verification Requirement
>> p://
>>> From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>>> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:19:10 +1030
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] D700
>>> I don't like zooms.  The 24-70 2.8 AF-S is decent.  The 24-120 is the
>>> worst; the real dog of the Nikkor range.
>>> Just about any wide range zoom is hopeless for architectural work.
>>> Marty
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