Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/09/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thing is I did make this look like perhaps some rarified studio thing but he and I were shooting half the time location as well as commercial photographers are going to do.. And a lot of stuff ends up applying just because you're not in your studio. -- more portable strobes, on camera flash with Panatomic. Everything else the same. Heck I'd even bring my Balcar studio strobes to locations and plug them in somewhere and have long extension cords. Heck I did that with weddings. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography mark at rabinergroup.com > From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:26:23 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness > > Absolute quality matters in studio photos, and there's no excuse for even > using 35mm for that. For other types of photography, like street and > documentary work we often use Leicas and other 35mm systems despite the > fact > that even relatively inexpensive medium format systems like the Mamiya 645 > system blow away anything you can get with a Leica. You live with the > grainier mages because a medium format camera is big and heavy and slow to > operate. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > On 9/15/10 8:03 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> >> You ask why because if the next guys images are looking a lot better than >> yours its your obligation to find out what he/she's doing that your not. >> If there's a huge obvious difference in quality between his stack of >> images >> over yours its proably format. Sensor size. But what ever it is its >> obvious >> you'd want to know. >> But whatever it is it begs the question in most cases "what camera are you >> using?" >> In my case I when I stared out I was getting a lot better images than >> another photographer down the street who was well known and was making a >> lot >> more money than I was in Portland Oregon. He made no bones about being >> threatened by the way my prints were looking and I have no secrets as to >> my >> technique so when he asked me what I was doing I freely told him. >> He was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a white umbrella >> and >> tri x. >> I was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a zebra umbrella and >> Panatomic. >> He went out and got a zebra umbrella. He got more contrast. But still he >> didn't get my quality. In the end when he finally switched to slow film >> that >> was of course what did it. For the most part. >> In this case we were both using 35mm most of the time so it was not >> format. >> But if you're using tri x with studio strobes you're being real stupid and >> that should make a big difference. You'd think a guy like him would know >> that but he didn't. >> Also I was using Beutlers. He never went there and it showed. >> You try to keep learning. Watching what's going on. >> How'd that guy do that? Which film did that guy use for those shots? >> Are those shots so good because he used slow film and a tripod? Or medium >> format? You keep looking and asking and you learn what you need to do to >> get >> your stuff looking the way you want it to look. >> Sound obsesive or ridiculous? Then just keep doing what you're doing and >> see >> how far you get. Obliviousness never paid. Not that I ever saw. >> >> >> -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> mark at rabinergroup.com >> >> >>> From: Philip Forrest <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:38:34 -0400 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness >>> >>> What is there to hang up? >>> Is there some "Enter the Dragon" ultimate test of life in which I, or >>> anyone for that matter, will be forced to deduce what size sensor made >>> what image? What about vintage? Will we have to be able to tell the >>> difference between a Nikon D100, D70 and an Epson RD1? After all, they >>> are incredibly similar. >>> If you're looking for the differences in sensor size through the final >>> image, I'd ask yourself "why?" >>> Because it's absolutely irrelevant. >>> >>> Phil Forrest >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:28:58 -0400 >>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Every portfolio I've ever had or stack of prints; and every stack of >>>> prints other photographers have shown me I've always known which ones >>>> of my prints were 35mm, Medium format, or sheet film and I didn't >>>> have to bother telling them and they didn't have to bother telling >>>> me; as we all knew at first glance. >>>> I can normally easily tell the difference between a full frame >>>> digital image even at low output and cropped format digital output >>>> and I think many people can with any experience. And certainly the >>>> difference between that and point and shoots with sensors the size of >>>> my pinky nail. And the 2x crop in between. And medium format digital >>>> blows me right out of the water at least my eyeballs. >>>> If you can't tell the difference between your large and smaller format >>>> digital output the time to hang it up is now. >>>> Take up audio. >>>> >>>> -------------------- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> mark at rabinergroup.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information