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Subject: [Leica] a shot in the dark - life at iso 25600
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:19:13 -0700
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re high ISO, the argument seems to be...more is better...  I am not so sure 
it's needed no matter how nice it would be...

with f1.4 or f1,  ISO's  of 800-1200 are quite fine....

but then, more ISO is like more money...

not too many see reasons to be against it,


Steve




On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Richard Man wrote:

> I agree we will all be shooting at ISO 128K at some points. For Leica
> shooters? I don't know, may be in 5 - 10 years. Canonites and Nikonites are
> doing them now, but Leica has different priorities.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I think the issue is with both the Nikon D3 and the Leica M9 camera bodies
>> is that they are not stuck in time but going to progress and soon as
>> sensors
>> progress which they do every day. The iso ranges on both cameras are going
>> nowhere but up and soon as will every other parameter of image quality. As
>> will our abilities to process the images they've made in the past which 
>> had
>> noise issues. So both hardware and software progress as is out abilities 
>> to
>> use them. We are more on top of it.
>> Sensor development has not reached an impasse or plateau. It is furiously
>> on
>> the upswing.
>> 
>> The idea that we don't need higher ISO's is a bit daft.
>> We are going to get them and we are going to use them. Gratefully.
>> With better sensors come better cameras. And with that come better
>> photographs made by better photographers.
>> 
>> And the issue is certainly not when we need to call these cameras a D4 or
>> M10. They can use fractions and hyphens and letters instead of big fat
>> round
>> numbers.
>> Every day in every way we are getting better and better.
>> The time to get a new camera body is never now. Its next year.
>> The problem is when are you going to want to take a picture?
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:49:45 -0700
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] a shot in the dark - life at iso 25600
>>> 
>>> Mark (well actually to everyone else since you do not read my posts),
>>> everything is a trade off, because if not, well, then you will have a D3
>>> that shoots at ISO128K or a D3X that shoots at 24 megapixels.  Right now,
>>> Nikon is in a bind to improve on either body.
>>> 
>>> The question isn't whether everyone will be shooting at ISO128K *at some
>>> points*, but what do Leica users want, or need from Leica and what can
>> Leica
>>> *reasonably* made in response to the market pull given their current
>>> operating strategy and marketing conditions.
>>> 
>>> And the answer will probably not include ISO128K in the next digital M.
>>> Probably very usable ISO1600 and usable 3200.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
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