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Subject: [Leica] A Correction Inre Noise in - Re: 2010 BOATING PESO - A Knife-Edge Horizon
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:47:26 -0500
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Hey no problem Dick.
I loved learning more about atmospheric refraction.

;~)

Regards,
George Lottermoser 
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist





On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:

> George - Well, I gave myself a big dope-slap on the way into work this 
> morning.  Sorry to send you off on a wild goose chase.  :-)
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Dick
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:28 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the reevaluation Dick.
>> Clears my aging mind.
>> 
>> You had me questioning my eye for digital artifacts
>> whether simple noise, chromatic aberrations
>> or other digi-things exaggerated by over sharpening,
>> enhancing contrast, etc.
>> 
>> I went out on an unsuccessful search re: "atmospheric refraction"
>> to find anything remotely resembling what I saw in the photo.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser 
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> George - I spoke too quickly yesterday.  You are right, the grain is 
>>> good, old-fashioned, detector noise.  There are refraction effects in 
>>> this picture, you can see it in the slightly wavy lines of the distant 
>>> buildings and boats, but that is not the cause of that grain.  
>>> 
>>> It's as bad as it is because I built contrast significantly to make the 
>>> picture more interesting.  That really aggravated the quite-low ISO 400 
>>> noise in the D300.  The original image is so flat it looks like blue 
>>> ghost on an aluminum sheet.  
>>> 
>>> I'll go back to this later today and see if I can improve it. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for calling it to my attention.   
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Dick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 09, 2010, at 2:43 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Really?
>>>> I've never seen this uniform pattern before.
>>>> Amazing
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser 
>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The "noise" is atmospheric refraction.  Can't do much about that.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 09, 2010, at 2:04 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I find the "weight" of the water and POV 
>>>>>> very compelling (in the tiny image).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and the "noise" extremely unpleasant
>>>>>> and totally destroying the effects mentioned above
>>>>>> when viewing the larger image
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> which I don't understand.
>>>>>> I thought the d300 held the noiseless record to date.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> George Lottermoser 
>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Last Saturday we had one of our rare super visibility days on the 
>>>>>>> water and a knife-edge horizon.   Usually, distant views show 
>>>>>>> vertical smearing due to refraction. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The was taken on Vineyard Sound from a point just off Woods Hole.  
>>>>>>> The boats are at the entrance to Vineyard Haven on Martha's 
>>>>>>> Vineyard.  East Chop is the point of land to the left; West Chop the 
>>>>>>> one to the right.  This a 100% crop with the 70-200 zoom at 200 mm 
>>>>>>> from about 3.6 nautical miles off West Chop. The horizon is about 2 
>>>>>>> miles away from our position.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The scene was very low contrast and the autofocus on the D300 had a 
>>>>>>> hard time locking up.  Manual focus wasn't much better since the 
>>>>>>> lens has no infinity stop.  Only two shots out of ten were properly 
>>>>>>> focused.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2010_boating/300_8509.jpg.html
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ctkot6
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> C&C always welcome.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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