Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/07/15

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Subject: [Leica] Macro
From: imagist3 at (George Lottermoser)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:17:07 -0500
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Good to know Henning.

After fighting with the 5D/Ultima for 40 minutes;
my immediate emotional response was
sell this thing;
move to Nikon;
or something.

George Lottermoser
george at

On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:

> George, I've found the 5DII to be a vast improvement over the 5D in  
> these sort of situations. I don't have an Ultima but do have the 17  
> and 24 Canon TSE lenses. If you compose and focus only on the image  
> coming to you by way of the mirror you really con't use the tilt  
> function on these lenses. On the other hand, in magnified Live View  
> mode accurate tilts are a piece of cake. I've done a lot of table  
> top stuff with LF, and I wish I had had something like this. It  
> truly is a revelation, and no dark cloth and loupes required while  
> hot lights are burning into your ears.
> Live View on this camera (and the m4/3 cameras I'm familiar with)  
> is accurate enough to realistically and correctly measure and judge  
> the effects of focus shift in various lenses, let alone accurately  
> set up tilts or focus macro objects. The fact that the screen is as  
> bright at f/16 as at f/2.8 is a huge help.
> At 3:29 PM -0500 7/15/10, George Lottermoser wrote:
>> I agree totally Mark.
>> I continue to NOT understand
>> the quest for easier, less, smaller, cheaper, less, etc ?
>> Yes iPhones et al are fun and
>> in the hands of skilled visionaries,
>> can produce art.
>> I just did a series of macro images
>> using the 5D on the Ultima with an 80 Rodenstock Apo enlarging lens
>> with the intention of using shifts and tilts.
>> The viewing screens (both the original and the brightscreen) just  
>> suck (for this kind of work).
>> So I replaced the 5D with the R8/DMR
>> and immediately found my self in big, huge, heavy, difficult, tilt/ 
>> shift macro heaven;
>> achieving exactly what I envisioned in my mind.
>> The only body that could be better (given my lenses and other kit)
>> would be an M9/90macro/Viso because of the additional real estate;
>> or better yet a 39CFV, Leaf Aptus II-7 to 10, or PhaseOne 25+, 45+  
>> or 65+, back.
>> With the M9 mega-tool - the question is not "what what other  
>> camera can I get to make macro easier?"
>> The question is "What can I get to do macro with this incredible  
>> M9 tool?"
>> If all I had was an M9 and wanted to do macro
>> I'd be all over the 90 macro and viso with bellows and all sorts  
>> of lenses.
>> (but going from M9 to 1.5, 4/3 or smaller? What is the point?
>> unless all we're talking about is "oh look there's a neat bug to  
>> show on the web" type of approach)
>> (The 5D remains a fun and functional tool with Canon lenses)
>> and of course YMMV
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
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In reply to: Message from mark at (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Macro)
Message from imagist3 at (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] Macro)
Message from henningw at (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] Macro)