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Subject: [Leica] back to printing
From: rgacpa at (Bob Adler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:16:44 -0700 (PDT)

Dang. Always get them mixed up. Ed Hamrick and Roy. Thanks for correcting 
Can I use the fact that it was after midnight and I'm in Vegas as an excuse?

Bob Adler

On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:49 AM, Tina Manley <images at> wrote:

It's Roy Harrington.  He and Paul Roark lead the B&W printing workshop that
I attend in Golden Trout.  Roy is a great guy.  He had a borrowed M9 to play
with the week we were there and really liked it.  Roy gave a couple of
lectures on Lightroom and likes the printing module there.  I have
Imageprint, too, but haven't decided whether to upgrade to the latest
version.  Expensive but very, very good.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at> wrote:

Expensive indeed.
QTR is a terrific tool, but only for B&W, as you know. Ed Harrington is not
only a terrific software engineer but an outstanding photographer.
His RIP requires more technical profiling skills than ImagePrint and I do
not have the sophisticated light controlled environment nor premier
profiling equipment that would be required to get QTR to function optimally.
So I chose to take the easy way out and go into debt! :-)

PS- Ed's work can be seen in Palo Alto at Gallery Nine and at The Gallery

Bob Adler

On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at>

Imageprint are quoting US$700 for an upgrade from IP7 Lite version for
the Epson R2400 to IP8 Full version for the 3885. I am a long term
user & fan, but I have not decided on this as yet, as I am also
evaluating QuadTone Rip. IP,s advantage, as you point out is all those
great profiles for practically any combination of ink & paper.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at> wrote:
I just traded my Colorburst for ImagePrint. I did so after comparing
multiple images printed from both engines using profiles supplied by the
software developers. ImagePrint provided greater detail and tonality than
Colorburst, no contest.
The only profiling equipment you will need is for your monitor. ImagePrint
provides profiles for a plethora of papers under different viewing
situations. I think it is wonderful. The cost of spectrophotometers for
monitor profiling only has decreased dramatically over the past 6 years.
Best of luck,

Bob Adler

On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at> wrote:

I'm making an effort to get back to printing.  I think I've printed more in
the last few weeks than in the last few years (darkroom closed about 5-6
years ago).   For b&w, I'm printing on Epson Velvet Fine Art 13x19 with the
QuadTone RIP software, with the curves set to slightly warm (55% warm curve,
45% cool curve, not split-toned).   One epiphany was that I didn't have to
mat and frame every image - a 13x19 portfolio box(es) with interleaf tissues
works fine (the matte paper is very fragile).    Here are two from today
that I have not printed since the darkroom days:

As I recall, the "angel" photo was with a CV rangefinder and Nokton 50mm
1.5 lens.  The photo of the ruins at Mesa Verde was with a Linhof Technica
and, I think, a 210mm Schneider lens and TMax 100 4x5 developed in TMax
developer 1:9.  I like both of the prints better than what I could do in the

I'm still not sure what to do about color.  My copy of ImagePrint RIP is
for XP, and it is unable to find my printer (even though attached and not
shared) in virtual XP in Windows 7.  Plus it is 6 years old and no doubt the
paper profiles have changed over the years.  I guess bite the bullet and buy
profiling gear.

C&C welcome as always.

Ken Carney
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

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