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Subject: [Leica] OT: Good Bokeh?
From: digiratidoc at gmail.com (James Laird)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:48:06 -0500
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Vince, Marty,

One thing I agree about is the 200/4 Nikkor IS sharp. And I always
liked the color characteristics of Nikon lenses, sometimes even more
than Leica glass. I think the bokeh issue is common with longer
lenses, and I gather it's worse wide open. I will of course learn
through experience if stopping down affects the bokeh. I hope so.
On my GH1 the 200 has an effective focal length of 400mm which I
really enjoy. I also have the venerable 55mm Micro-Nikkor which is a
classic, very handy and sharp. Together with the 200 f4 and my 400mm
6.8 Telyt I have a fairly light trecking set of lenses. I use all
three on the 400 Telyt shoulder stock with my GH1 and a Bogen monopod.
I love the ability of the set to get me rock-steady shots of birds and
critters. I'll not give up on my Nikkors.

Jim

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Don't get me wrong - I have a 200/4 micro Nikkor and regard it as a
> great lens. ?I have very few lenses that can be used with impunity and
> where I can be sure that I will like the results. ?My much favoured
> 50/1 Noctilux occasionally produces incredible swirly backgrounds that
> leave me feeling vertiginous. ?Nothing's perfect.
>
> Marty
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Vince Passaro <passaro.vince at 
> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jim --
>>
>> Do not despair at all of the Nikkor 200/4. It is a great lens and what it 
>> is
>> great at you can see in the picture: sharpness and color and detail. I do
>> not recall anyone ever praising the bokeh of any lens of this length 
>> (though
>> no doubt some deserve it and I suspect we could easily hear from Doug 
>> about
>> that two-fitty of his.... ). There is nothing bad about the bokeh here
>> except the brightness of highlights which does all kinds of mischief with
>> the picture. Still, go enjoy this lens. (Even better on a Nikon DX crop if
>> you got one.)
>>
>> V
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wide open adds another factor to the "worst case scenario" of this
>>> shot. ?Very difficult.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, James Laird <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > George,
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I'm pretty sure it was taken at f4. It was dusk and light was
>>> > fading. I'll try it again stopped down.
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:48 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at 
>>> > mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> was the sample you posted wide open?
>>> >> have you tried it at other f stops?
>>> >> just curious.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> George Lottermoser
>>> >> george at imagist.com
>>> >> http://www.imagist.com
>>> >> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>> >>
>>> >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 2:20 PM, James Laird wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> George,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I see what you mean. I thought it was moderately good bokeh when I
>>> >>> first took it. But as you say it's all subjective. Oh well, I only
>>> >>> paid 49 bucks for it. Maybe I can get a Leica R 200 some day for that
>>> >>> price (in my dreams;)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jim Laird
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at 
>>> >>> mac.com
>>> >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> obviously subjective
>>> >>>> but I find the bokeh
>>> >>>> quite disturbing
>>> >>>> reminds me of the glass
>>> >>>> used in some bathroom windows.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards,
>>> >>>> George Lottermoser
>>> >>>> george at imagist.com
>>> >>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>> >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:12 AM, James Laird wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Trying out my 'new' Nikkor 200 f4 on my GH1 I took this:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/digiratidoc/GH1/Nikkor-200f4-Bokeh.jpg.html
>>> >
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Now I think this is great bokeh. Agree?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Jim Laird
>>> >>>>>
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Replies: Reply from benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney) ([Leica] OT: Good Bokeh?)
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