Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Bob, thanks. Don't forget to show us the results of your rework! Peter Bob Adler wrote: > Well said Peter. I tend to agree. Not sure why I cropped in the first > place, but I'll be going back to work on the uncropped to see how it works > out. > And another point well made was the difference between print and web. > Obviously the color spaces are very different for each with the web having > far less "gamut" than a print (assuming sRGB for the web and ProPhoto for > a print). I think this translates into the shadow detail being lost in > many areas of a print-to-web transition (especially in the reds and > greens). So the web version of a print may indeed look lighter. > All that said, I appreciate your comments very much and look forward to > more of them in the future. > Best, > Bob > Bob Adler > Palo Alto, CA > http://www.rgaphoto.com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 3:19:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Printing Workshop > > Bob, > > IMHO of course - and printing is very subjective **and** I am somebody who > can't > even satisfy himself, so... > > I thing that of the first pair, the original has greater depth and feeling > of > perspective; the second has the depth washed out and ios - to my eyes - too > bright. Obviously I don't kinow your process but it looks like the > contrast in > the background, particularly in the top right quadrant, has been reduced > too > much and the rocks in centre field are too bright partly I guress as a > result of > your process. I wouldn't have cropped it to the extent that you have. I > would > have left more all round. The smallness of the tree to the left actually > adds to > the sense of scale and lends graneur and majesty to the scene. By the same > token > the size of the fishermen in the original emphasises their insignificance > in the > scheme of things. > > The second one is much better IMHO particularly in the effect that you have > generated in the sky. However I think that you have dullened (is that a > word?) > the picture too much in doing whatever process you have. I think the > foreground > stones need to have the warmth of the original yellows restored a bit. > > The thing is that every printer has his own style and tenor to his prints, > particularly if he took the shots himself. Preparing for screen and real > live > printing are again two very different forms. The really good printers on > the LUG > will I am sure re-inforce that it is so much trial and error, even if you > know > the inks and the paper! So if you are happy with them that's great. > > Hope that that helps a bit. > > Peter > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> >> Sorry to say, but I find the pre-workshop image better in the case of the >> first pair, although in the second pair the "after" version looks better. >> >> All IMO of course :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Bob Adler wrote: >> >>> Just finished a weekend (Fri 9am - 9pm; Sat. 9am - 9pm; Sun. 8:30am - >>> 5pm) workshop put on by a very fine local photographer (Charles Cramer). >>> 8 participants learned some finer points of Photoshop and were able to >>> work on and print what we worked on, taking home 2 large prints and many >>> medium and small prints. >>> >>> I ended up working on three images for the weekend, two of which I'm >>> good with. Here are the before and after web versions: >>> http://www.rgaphoto.com/BeforeAfter >>> >>> The third image needs some more fine tuning. >>> Though it may not be readily apparent in the web shots, the prints are >>> markedly improved. The CS4 techniques were great to learn, but even >>> better were the interactions with other participants and Charles. >>> >>> If you've not seen Charles Cramer's lovely work, you can see web >>> versions on his website: >>> http://www.charlescramer.com >>> His co-instructor for the workshop was Rex Naden: >>> http://www.rexnaden.com >>> Not to shabby... >>> >>> If you ever get the chance to see his prints, I strongly recommend them >>> to you. They are truly luminous. If you ever get to join him in a >>> workshop you won't regret it. >>> C&C always appreciated. >>> Bob >>> Bob Adler >>> Palo Alto, CA >>> http://www.rgaphoto.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > -- =========================================================== Dr Peter Dzwig