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Subject: [Leica] M7/MP only 5% of US Leica Sales...
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:03:57 -0700
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To me the decision was: was the M8 worth $5000 when it came out?

It was, to me because the RD-1 did not appeal to me and there was nothing 
else.

When I had the chance to buy a $3500 mint M8, I took the opportunity 
to buy a second body. Great.

The M8.2 had one feature which I was somewhat attracted to (the 
sapphire glass) and was maybel willing to spend $100 for and two 
retrograde steps, so I passed on that.

The M9 has one noticeable advantage over the M8, and that is of 
course the larger sensor which at this point is worth maybe 
$1500-$2000 to over the M8. It is also slightly slower, which really 
annoys me. Take away $500 of what I'm willing to pay.

That's my current accounting, and while I reserve the right to change 
my point of view on this, at the moment the value of an M9 doesn't 
come close to the price premium I would have to pay.

Before I had a day with one, I was considering ordering the camera, 
and if it had been in a store, I might have picked one up. After 
using it that day, I adjusted my perceived value of it. At the same 
price as an M8, I would rather have an M9. At a premium of $4-5000 
it's not close.




At 10:08 PM -0700 3/29/10, Richard Man wrote:
>That's the wrong line of thing. Think M9 as $1500 over the price of then new
>M8.2. Clearly, the improvement from M8.2 -> M9 is worth that much. Nikon
>D700->D3, Canon 5DII ->IDs all carry higher premium so Leica is doing pretty
>well there.
>
>Now the question is what should a then new M8.2 be $5500?
>
>The answer is the new MP and M7 are $4500.... so the $1000 is, once again,
>not bad.
>
>So why should a new M7/MP be $4500?
>
>Because they take Leica lens, and if you like rangefinder, what choices are
>there? (this is a rhetorical question, I know about the Bessa and the ZM...)
>
>
>Right now M9 has a backlog of 3-6 months (!) I suspect a good number will go
>on the used market in ~2 months.
>
>My guess is that by Sept 09, 2010, you can pick up a used M9 for $5500.
>
>On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Frank Filippone 
><red735i at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>>  Absolutely......
>>
>>  I do not have, nor wish to spend, $7K on a camera "box".
>>  If Leica had a FF camera at $4K, I MIGHT be tempted.....
>>
>>  Just as an aside, I do not understand the rationale for a $7K camera.....
>>  other than the obvious, whatever the market will bear.....
>>
>>  Frank Filippone
>>  red735i at earthlink.net
>>
>>
>>  I don't. The M9 is an improvement on the M8, for sure, but no way will I
>>  spend the current price on one. When I can get one for the price I paid 
>> for
>>  my M8, I will consider it.
>>
>>  Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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