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Subject: [Leica] Beware HCB Wannabes
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:57:34 -0700
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:

> Thank you Steve. I'm at my best when avoiding my work.

perfect...

that's what this list is all about,

Steve


> V
> 
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't who "you" is here Jeffery but my point was that the least safe
>> and
>>> comforting the artist, the better the artist. The great artists who've
>> been
>>> in practice and at home obnoxious and worse are legion, and I do believe
>>> there is a correlation between their vision and the barbed wire they seem
>> to
>>> be wearing as jock straps. Being nice doesn't get the job done, most of
>> the
>>> time. There are of course exceptions. Many. Still, if you want to use
>>> "obnoxious" as the measuring term, you've lost most of us; it's a school
>>> marm's word, an accountant's word, a ticket collector's word, and efforts
>>> not to be obnoxious while likely good for the smooth operation of polite
>>> society (and all its hidden crimes) are not interesting or important to
>> us.
>>> Sometimes the best technique is  'silence, exile and cunning' which I
>> think
>>> is what you really mean, outside the ninth grade geography teacher vocab
>> of
>>> 'obnoxious'; and sometimes it's not and the artist has to become
>> something
>>> of a terrorist.  Sometimes we have to INTERRUPT.  There is no way really
>> to
>>> be discreet taking people's photos on the street and indeed one of the
>>> complaints was not that he was up in people's faces but that he was
>> trying
>>> to be discreet: far away with telephoto lenses -- ie, "creepy."
>>> 
>>> As far as his work goes (I'm about to go look at it), we should all keep
>> in
>>> mind that art of the second order makes art of the first order possible.
>> And
>>> on down the line. So Rabs is quite right: he is us, period.
>> 
>> 
>> hi Vince,
>> 
>> you may be at least provocative at times, and I don't always agree wth 
>> you,
>> 
>> God forbid,
>> 
>> but you are brilliant as a writer, a thinker, and a provocateur,
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Vince
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Jeffery Smith <jsmith342 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You agree that the more obnoxious the photographer, the better the
>>>> photographer, as long as he's doing whatever he wants? Cool.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Rabs. Of course. And a further thought: I remember one day
>>>> not
>>>>> long ago -- within the last decade that means, to us oldies -- seeing a
>>>>> photographer with a Leica 35mm camera on Fifth Ave near the corner of
>>>> 57th
>>>>> or 58th St I think (possibley a few blocks osouth of there) standing in
>>>> the
>>>>> flow of the crowd just whirling right and left and all the way around
>>>> taking
>>>>> pictures of people only .7 meters from their faces in many cases, or
>>>>> sometimes a bit further. He was like a dervish: to watch him was to see
>> a
>>>>> man who was completely lost in what he was doing, the faces in the
>> crowd,
>>>>> images momentarily clarified within a blur, him catching them probably
>>>> not
>>>>> in full focus most of hte time, taking pictures (and manually advancing
>>>> the
>>>>> film) as fast as I've ever seen anyone with that kind of equipment
>> work.
>>>> I
>>>>> deeply admired him. He looked insane. He was frightening people. Some
>>>>> people, that is. It was New York after all and many just made their way
>>>>> around him and kept on without a backward glance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a very short, famous, Eastern-ish poem for street photographer's
>>>>> everywhere. The title is "In a Station of the Metro" - it's only two
>>>> lines
>>>>> long:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The apparition of these faces in a crowd;
>>>>> Petals on a wet black bough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> it's like a Capa picture double exposed onto an Ansel Adams....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>>> rabinergroup.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the size of his cannon...er....Canon..is what is making him
>> so
>>>>>>> conspicuous and is what is unnerving his subjects. My reference to
>> the
>>>>>> Leica
>>>>>>> RF is not so he can be like HCB, but so he might be less conspicuous.
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>> Capa's Contax would be fine too. Using a big SLR with a telephoto to
>>>> get
>>>>>>> pictures of young ladies is paparazzi-ish, not streetphotography-ish.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think he can set up an 8x10 view camera if he feels like it if he's
>>>> not
>>>>>> blocking the sidewalk too much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Rabs]
>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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