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Subject: [Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:12:02 -0800
References: <C7B8C4F3.66058%joseph@yao.com> <C7B841AD.5ED5C%mark@rabinergroup.com> <20100306192254.6e378675@linux-0ifi.site>

On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Philip Forrest wrote:

> Now isn't this coming on the tail end of the $3000 lens is leaps and
> bounds better than the $1800 lens thread? But now they are being
> compared to a $300 Nikkor?
> 
> As for size, you have several choices with respect to lens design. Even
> with aspherics which don't allow for more compactness but for more
> correction.
> 
> Super fast lens
> Super small lens
> Super sharp lens
> 
> You can only have two of these things and the one missing will suffer.
> If Leica were to shrink the size of their Summilux line, then the
> lenses would suffer from less correction. Leica is making lenses for
> digital cameras now which work so much better with retrofocus designs
> than older ones in which large rear elements sit millimeters from the
> plane of focus. All that glass enables Leica to do things with light
> that they have never before. Of course, they could make the design more
> conservative but then they would call that a Summarit. Oh yeah, already
> done. 
> If Leica relaxes the designs more the lenses will stick out
> farther like the ZM line does. They can't just decide that a new 35mm
> ASPH 'lux is going to be the same size as a Pre-ASPH 'cron and make it
> happen. If they did, then they'd be holding back some aspect of imaging
> quality and the M8/9 can find lens faults like no other system out
> there. They are pretty unforgiving cameras, so Leica is just trying to
> reconcile their new path in digital photography and trying to optimize
> a lens which can hack it on the M9.
> 
> Phil Forrest


laws of physics/optics apply as always Phil, so what's your point?


Steve


> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:30:21 -0500
> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBcZ1jaWXRw
>>> 
>>> Look at the lens at 0:59.  This is the likely to be the new milux-M
>>> 35/1.4 ASPH.  Note that the hood design is different from the
>>> current version, and the lens itself is also larger.
>>> 
>>> Joseph
>> 
>> 
>> It's my understanding that unlike the current (late 90's) Summicron
>> ASPH 35 the Summilux ASPH 35 blocked the rangefinder for the past ten
>> or twelve years. I had the Summicron so it didn't bother me. But that
>> was not my excuse for getting it instead of the Summicron I think it
>> was not the principle of the thing - it was the money.
>> What I expected to see at this juncture was a new design which didn't
>> block the viewfinder. Why not? design has come a long way.
>> Instead I see  one more of the new  bloated Leica super lenses. Such
>> as the Summilux 21 and 24 and Noctilux .95. I call that real bad news
>> especially in this case. As the 35 has always  been a lens which is
>> small and light and relatively affordable.
>> Perhaps there will be a new generation of multi millionaire
>> photojournalists who will be using this gear. As is now its a bit
>> much for a successful dentist to bite off.
>> A 35mm lens when  I got my M6  in April  of 1993 was the what we now
>> call pre aspheric Summicron or Summilux. Both were the same size.
>> Both were far lighter and smaller than the aspherics which came out
>> as the current models in the late 90's. You put a 35mm lens on the
>> camera and forget it. Maybe even didn't use a lens shade. No use for
>> a collapsible this glass were near pancakes.  A two pancake short
>> stack. It a very low key way of working. My Summicron ASPH when I got
>> it felt was so heavy that I found it a bit of a bummer.
>> What smoothed it over was my sure ability to get stupendous results
>> wide open. It was a super lens as far as I could imagine. And all my
>> pals were using Nikons and canons so for my lens I could have got a
>> half dozen of theirs. But it was worth it.
>> To me I call a 35mm lens on a 24x36 format camera I'm used to the
>> "bring back the shot" lens.  Instead of being hard ass with a 50 or
>> artsy with a 24 the 35mm lens is just going to be able to get a
>> picture. Other focal lengths can be just too much. So SURE I used it
>> wide open a good deal of the time the lens was always on my camera.
>> And the camera was always on me. And I'm a night person.
>> I was not going to drag the 24 around all day it was twice the size
>> and weight and really got in the way.
>> But now the 35mm is catching up. I call that a bummer.
>> I think that with the use of aspherics a Leica m rangefinder lens
>> can be made compact so it dos not block the viewfinder. Instead a
>> line of super lenes. The Noctilux should have been reduced to the
>> size of the first 1.2. Instead of becoming even more bloated in every
>> way. I think if they were smart they would re introduce a modern
>> Noctilux 1.2. A Summilux on one or two steroids instead of the lens
>> which ate NY.
>> 
>> Its time for Leica to think about some new years de bloating.
>> Happy new year half the cultures out there think the new year is in
>> March. And you can to. I know I do.
>> 
>> Lets see Leica come out with a lens which is smaller not bigger.
>> A lens the size of a pre Summacron  or Summilux 35mm.
>> Both were identical in size in weight other than the writing on the
>> front of the barrel. Or if you measured the f stop.
>> 
>> My 35mm Summicron ASPH in February of the year 2000 cost me $1495.
>> A nikon lens at the time cost what 300 dollars? It cost $319.95 now
>> so maybe it was 200 usd. So you could get five to eight of them.
>> Now a new Summicron ASPH  cost 3 grand; the price has doubled.
>> But is one of the cheapest lenes Leica has now and I thought there
>> was a Leica rumor they were phasing it out. Or I dreamt it last
>> night. Same thing. It is now.
>> 300 by the way goes into 3000 ten times.
>> The decimal system.
>> 
>> The new generation of cutting edge Leica shooters will be doing what
>> they always did. Using very old used Leica gear.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Rabs]
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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