[Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM

[grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)]

Steve,

All of us.  ;-)  Especially me, since it has been quite some time since I 
have posted anything.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:27:42 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM

On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:20 AM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:

> Me three, in Iowa.  I used to use Nikon, a hard core Nikon person.  Back 
> in the 80's I noticed a drop in quality and ended up with Leica R, I just 
> could not bring myself to use Canon, as their stuff just did not even 
> measure up to Nikon.  And as Tina has said, the Canon stuff just does not 
> measure up to Leica R or M.  Although, I do think she does like the 85/1.2 
> lens.  ;-)  I, like Doug now use the R8 with DMR, and I also use M cameras 
> and lenses.
> 
> Everyone has their own preferences, some on here also like and use 
> Olympus, Pentax, Canon, Nikon, and Sony etc.  And that is just fine, 
> whatever floats your boat, we welcome photos from all here, even though it 
> is a Leica group.  And yes, since it is a Leica Group, we will from time 
> to time defend it as the best, some people more than others.
> 
> Now, as Dr. Ted would say, Stop wasting our time arguing about the 
> insignificant crap and start shooting photos to share.


are you just talking to yourself, or does that apply to all of us?

:-)

Steve



> 
> Cheers,
> Gene
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert D. Baron" <rbaron at concentric.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:45:15 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM
> 
> ==On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Doug Herr
> <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jan Decher wrote:
>> 
>>> The whole thing with Leica Germany being so much better than anything 
>>> made
>>> in Japan is really bogus.
>> 
>> If stated simply as 'county of origin' then I agree.  Optical and 
>> mechanical design and manufacturing QC are what matter, not the culture 
>> or currency or language of the people making them.  One of the best 
>> 80-200mm f/4 zoom lenses ever made was the Leica Vario-Elmar, made in 
>> Japan to Leica's specs and with Leica's QC.
>> 
>>> And then this whole hoax with the compeletely unaffordable S2 and 
>>> abolishing
>>> the entire R line that many here came to love and rely on!
>> 
>> There's a reason many of us came to rely on the R system, and it's not 
>> because of the language of the people making them.  They produce the 
>> results we want, results we weren't getting with other camera systems.  
>> All the other camera systems are either made in Japan or made for 
>> Japanese companies in lower-cost countries so when typing fingers are 
>> getting tired it's often convenient to lump the other makers together as 
>> 'Japan'.  It's not the countries we're comparing, its the design, QC and 
>> target markets of the products' manufacturers.  It's unfortunate that the 
>> comparison can devolve so easily into Japan vs. Germany, but at its root 
>> that's not what it is.
>> 
>> Doug Herr
>> Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> 
> 
> +1
> 
> I'm with Doug.
> 
> Except he's in California and I'm in Oklahoma.
> 
> --Bob
> 
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