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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Penske Race Museum, Scottsdale, AZ
From: sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:54:27 -0500
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Agreed, Frank. I was aware of his start with MB support

Seth

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Penske Race Museum, Scottsdale, AZ


> Hi Seth,
> The idea of deliberately crashing would have been unthinkable in the old 
> days for safety reasons, it should have been unthinkable in 2008, even if 
> not for safety reasons...
> I do not expect Michael to return, though there is a great deal of 
> encouragement from Mercedes, he was in their young driver programme and 
> they probably funded his start in F1. With Mercedes Grand Prix starting 
> with Ross ad Team Principal it has attractions, but ties to Ferrari and 
> common sense may stop it.
> Frank
>
> On 2 Dec, 2009, at 14:57, Seth Rosner wrote:
>
>> Frank, right you are. As you know better than anyone on this list, 
>> fearlessness diminishes exponentially as the reasons to fear disappear. 
>> Today's race drivers at the top international level, are close to immune 
>> from physical harm, Felipe Massa's freak accident being a remarkable 
>> anomaly. Imagine what would have been Nelsinho's response thirty years 
>> ago to his team manager's suggestion that he deliberately crash his car 
>> at a point in a Formula One race to be determined during the race, 
>> calculated to make possible his teammate's victory: "what, are you out of 
>> your f---ing mind" might have been his censored remark.
>>
>> In your view, will Michael return? if so, where? Sauber, perhaps. 
>> perhaps. [sic]
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dernie" 
>> <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Penske Race Museum, Scottsdale, AZ
>>
>>
>>> I know I am biased but the amount by which a recent race car safely 
>>> exceeds that of a typical street car is h-u-g-e. Motor racing is not 
>>> nearly as dangerous as it was.
>>> I think driving in fog and ice is much more "fearless"!
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> On 1 Dec, 2009, at 22:54, Robert D. Baron wrote:
>>>
>>>> A close look at these cars reminds you of how brave the drivers have
>>>> to be....or maybe 'fearless' is the better word.
>>>
>>>
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